Thanks Lee.....All I have done is ask for information...nothing more....and If you guys have never heard of Major General Corlett, then chances are that the Timline researchers would not have either......when I called thier office, I had a long conversation at great expence, might I add, and the feeling was that, If I wanted to talk to Hammond, then all i have to do is write to him....Now whats wrong with that? This is an example of history in ACTION....and not for the first time has my memory caught out research that has been less than comprehensive....this thread was a simple request for stuff about Omaha that you are wawre of that I might not be... You know, when I get this right, and when I get my letter from Mr. Hammond, and an acknowledgement from BBC researchers, I'm going to come back, post it all and CROW.....and it will be all my own work....nothing to do with this site....suits me fine....no credit for the kudos.....and it's things like this that get noticed... Tonight you have a chance to become part of the historical process, not just a spectator.....I will come back, just to rub this in, after being accused of things that never entered my mind to start with.... As usual, MARGINALIZED....I'll let this one sit until the correpondance has finished....when it has, credits will be ALL MINE....not like I haven't asked for your help either, but no matter....I am quite capable of rowing my own boat, and I will. And it's not like you could not have been involved...but the mods feel this is irresponsible...I don't see how.....I think they are scared that I might be INCORRECT, and that reputations will suffer for my arrogance...well, folks, give me a couple of weeks...then read it and weep.....I feel very insulted by this whole affair. Not only have my actions been taken for granted, and my intentions, but the very fact that I MIGHT BE CORRECT probly does more for refusal to help than any other factor....
i hope all goes well for you,i nearly got thrown out completely,banned for life for an opinion i made,so i certainly tread carefully now,or should i say push my wheels carefully.i have read of corlett,but cannot remember where.yours lee.
Thanks Lee.....All I have done is ask for information...nothing more....and If you guys have never heard of Major General Corlett, then chances are that the Timline researchers would not have either......when I called thier office, I had a long conversation at great expence, might I add, and the feeling was that, If I wanted to talk to Hammond, then all i have to do is write to him....Now whats wrong with that? This is an example of history in ACTION....and not for the first time has my memory caught out research that has been less than comprehensive....this thread was a simple request for stuff about Omaha that you are wawre of that I might not be... You know, when I get this right, and when I get my letter from Mr. Hammond, and an acknowledgement from BBC researchers, I'm going to come back, post it all and CROW.....and it will be all my own work....nothing to do with this site....suits me fine....no credit for the kudos.....and it's things like this that get noticed... Tonight you have a chance to become part of the historical process, not just a spectator.....I will come back, just to rub this in, after being accused of things that never entered my mind to start with.... As usual, MARGINALIZED....I'll let this one sit until the correpondance has finished....when it has, credits will be ALL MINE....not like I haven't asked for your help either, but no matter....I am quite capable of rowing my own boat, and I will. And it's not like you could not have been involved...but the mods feel this is irresponsible...I don't see how.....I think they are scared that I might be INCORRECT, and that reputations will suffer for my arrogance...well, folks, give me a couple of weeks...then read it and weep.....I feel very insulted by this whole affair. Not only have my actions been taken for granted, and my intentions, but the very fact that I MIGHT BE CORRECT probly does more for refusal to help than any other factor.... The content of your 'research' into this is irrelevant. It is your whole attitude and approach: which with the tone of the above is once more childish in the extreme. And I repeat - YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE PROGRAMME. How can you possibly comment on it? The fact that you cannot grasp that makes me wonder what you can grasp. I also find some of your comments insulting, as a number of members of this site work professionally in the sphere of military history. You have no idea of who we are to be making statements like " Tonight you have a chance to become part of the historical process, not just a spectator". Personally I hope you do follow your own advice and go away. I gave up having spats like this when I was a kid, or so I thought.
Thanks Lee.....All I have done is ask for information...nothing more....and If you guys have never heard of Major General Corlett, then chances are that the Timline researchers would not have either......when I called thier office, I had a long conversation at great expence, might I add, and the feeling was that, If I wanted to talk to Hammond, then all i have to do is write to him....Now whats wrong with that? This is an example of history in ACTION....and not for the first time has my memory caught out research that has been less than comprehensive....this thread was a simple request for stuff about Omaha that you are wawre of that I might not be... You know, when I get this right, and when I get my letter from Mr. Hammond, and an acknowledgement from BBC researchers, I'm going to come back, post it all and CROW.....and it will be all my own work....nothing to do with this site....suits me fine....no credit for the kudos.....and it's things like this that get noticed... Tonight you have a chance to become part of the historical process, not just a spectator.....I will come back, just to rub this in, after being accused of things that never entered my mind to start with.... As usual, MARGINALIZED....I'll let this one sit until the correpondance has finished....when it has, credits will be ALL MINE....not like I haven't asked for your help either, but no matter....I am quite capable of rowing my own boat, and I will. And it's not like you could not have been involved...but the mods feel this is irresponsible...I don't see how.....I think they are scared that I might be INCORRECT, and that reputations will suffer for my arrogance...well, folks, give me a couple of weeks...then read it and weep.....I feel very insulted by this whole affair. Not only have my actions been taken for granted, and my intentions, but the very fact that I MIGHT BE CORRECT probly does more for refusal to help than any other factor.... Read it and Weep???? Well thats encouraging. Christos, I'm not scared of you being right and yes iyou are arrogant. You havent seen the show but yet you are convinced from the opinions of others that there might be some factual errors on the show and want us all to chip in so that you can write to them and show them how wrong they are, first of all WATCH THE PROGRAMME!!! At least watch it first and draw your own conclusions. You are assuming that because some of us here have not heard of Maj Gen Corlett well then the researchers obviously wouldnt have either!! I say assume because you havent asked them yet. You are assuming that they must be wrong because well, even though you haven't bothered to watch the programme,if WW2talk people havent heard about then they DEFINITELY wouldnt have. Thats a really good assumption there. Then you only seem to want to contact Mr Hammond as opposed to the guys who did the research. Suppose you want him to go on TV and acknowledge your research as well??? That info about Omaha is available and has been for years, read D-Day by Stephen Ambrose to see. Given that you are someone who definitely wants to come back and crow shows how arrogant you truly are Are you that insecure that you want to come back and say "Hah" to us all?? Wow! I disagreed with your idea, I didnt tell anyone else not to help you and you will see that earlier in the thread I wished Lee "good Luck" in his quest because he said he was behind you all the way. But as usual two and two equals Twenty Two with you, not Four! Tell you what you come back and crow to us when you get it right Christos because actions like that speak more about you than it does about us.
that owen knows where i roughly live i think.he works for the g.p.o.is he allowed to find that out at work.i will most certainly ring them up in the morning.lee
Not my fault I haven't seen the show, but from what you guys tell me, it's as inaccurate as a show can be concerning the real resons for the tragedy.... This is what he wants to do. He wants to provide evidence contradicting something HE HASNT EVEN SEEN. I would just like to publicly state that I am not discouraging any other member from helping Christos, go ahead and help him. He has intimated that we dont want to help and I am saying that members should help him if they want!
i hope all goes well for you,i nearly got thrown out completely,banned for life for an opinion i made, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about Lee. PM me to explain what this opinion was as you seem to have a long term beef about it, I'm sure there is a misunderstanding there and we'll be able to bury the wooden spoon. As for Owen knowing where you Live Lee, he's in Wiltshire too and you mentioned the village... hardly surprising he would know it, and very paranoid to see anything sinister in that. Christos, I'll say again that going so far to 'correct' a programme you never saw on a subject it didn't cover is odd in the extreme. The reason Paul did not want this place mentioned is because we do not want to be associated with such impetuous and ill informed action. Incidentally, you can watch the programme via BBC iPlayer, link here: Telegraph pick: Timewatch - Bloody Omaha (BBC2) - Telegraph EDIT: I see Gprgt had already flagged this. I might suggest you read the 'CV' of one of the leading figures in the programme too before throwing accusations at the level of their research/credentials: RMAS: Dr Simon Trew and maybe go to Amazon & look up Steve/Steven Zaloga as another contributor. Might I say that you're taking things far too seriously and it may be worth chilling out and holding back for a while. There have been many complaints to me from other members that confirm what you call 'enthusiasm' is seen by others as irrelevant spam. Cheers, Adam.
i now know who corlet is,he was the c.o of the u.s 7infdiv in the pacific,and i believe he had amphib experience,yours,lee.
To be honest Corlett is not that important, not to detract from his experience. The allies had plenty of experience of amphibious operation in the med to tell them what they needed to know. Also the condition were very different and thus the lesson that Corlett was espousing were not as easily transferable as lesson from the med. Another issue is that up unitl 1944 the majority of american landings in the pacific are of a small scale when compared ith D-Day. Operation in the med were more on a scale and, therefore, lessons were far more transferable to OVERLORD. Even Stephen Ambrose admits that point in his work on D-Day. What people need to be looking at to understand the 'failure' at Omaha is how, or if, lessons from the med were fully implemented by the americans and not lesson from the pacific. Also is Omaha a failure? The allies predict 6000 casualties and even with the 'new' figure cited in the program they do not meet this level. The major problem is that on the other beaches casualties never reached the level of Omaha. Again it could be argued that lesson are better implemented by the respected commander planning the beach landings. Ross
The GPO? Lee, wassat? Not been the GPO since 1969. I know you were joking but I haven't a clue where you are really. As for Omaha, it was a sucessful attack with a few setbacks with higher casualties than the other beaches. The troops got ashore , moved inland and linked up with GOLD that sounds like a success to me.
imo,the american med and pattons atlantic torch landings,were not without problems,torch,salerno and anzio and sicily.do you think bradly was the best choice for overlord.yours,lee.p.s i just thought g.p.o would make i seem younger owen.must keep it short,do not want to lose any work.yours,lee.
predictions,ah.i remember a lot of people predicted,certainly churchill that anzio would be successful.yours lee.
I am new to the site and an American is there a way to see this program the BBC link will not allow me to see the program any help is appreciated
I don't think it can be viewed outside of the UK. However, it was made partially with US funding and will be shown in the US in the next 12 months.
Welcome Gregorio. Jeff/Slipdigit suggested on ww2f trying to view the iplayer link via a UK based proxy: BBC - BBC iPlayer - Programme Information - Timewatch Good luck though as they're often not so hot at images etc. so some trial & error may be involved. (some of it's already rather naughtily cropping up on Youtube.) Cheers, Adam.
