Folks, I have an address to write to the Production company that deals with Richard Hammond....they have assured me that, if we write to them, they will pass on ALL correspondance to Mr. Hammond PERSONALLY.... Why don't we set the record straight? I can supply a copy of Williamson Murray's MHQ article, along with other info....who knows of other factors that influenced the decision at Omaha, June 6th, 1944? Come on and HELP.......THIS MAY BE A CHANCE TO TELL THE REAL STORY......I have been assured that all correspondance of this nature will be forwarded to Richard personally....Full credit given in the letters to those that help! There must be aspects of the Omaha story that I'm not aware of....what do you guys know that I don't? Come on and join in, a chance to be involved in the historical process FOR REAL!
Set what record straight? Did you see the programme? Kind of hard to comment if you didn't mate, let alone start some kind of campaign... Cheers, Adam.
I'm sorry, I don't think this is appropriate, especially as you have not seen the documentary in question. And... as I mentioned before... Richard Hammond did not write this programme, he was the presenter. You need to know what the difference is before you go off half-cocked like this. Please get your facts straight about exactly what was discussed and said, before you launch an internet campaign... and by the way, this was made by BBC, so no idea what 'production company' you are talking about. Also please do not think of mentioning this forum to give your 'argument' some legitimacy.
The company is called INDEPENDAT Talent Group, in Oxford House, London..... I know he didnt write it, but he will be interested.... Not my fault I haven't seen the show, but from what you guys tell me, it's as inaccurate as a show can be concerning the real resons for the tragedy.... I'll just send of the info with s brief covering letter.... Can't I get anything right here?..... Here you have an oppurtunity to so something good....whats wrong with that? And this is not an Internet 'campaign' by any stretch of the imagination....and if we know of better knowledge as to Omaha, why not use the resources we have collectively to make some kind of statement? Can I do nothing right here?
I am afraid your whole attitude baffles me. I didn't - funny enough - watch any Australian TV last night. Was it any good? If not, give me some addresses to write to. The company you mention above are probably Hammond's agents - they have nothing to do with the programme, which - I repeat - was made by the BBC.
Alright....I'll do it on my own......the information I gave to you guys is not exactly a state secret...it's just not widely known..... What else is a site like this for? And as for legitimacy, I'll stand on my own in that department....I certainly don't need anybody elses approval for that....I wasn't even going to mention this site, but I was going to ask for your knowledgable help.... This is history....like it or not, it deserves to be told as it was, rather than as popular knowledge knows it to be... My God, If you guys have got a problem with this, it really does mystify me as to why...I would have thought that you might jump at the chance to become involved.....mistaken belief....look....perhaps I should just resign.....any suggestion I have is shouted down, I'm not so sure that anything I do here is welcomed....not sure whether this is because I'm not a veteran..... I'll just crawl back in my corner then, and mouth platitues as most people do about WWII, rather than serious debate... We have an oppurtunity to do a little more than just moan about inaccuracies....I thought thats what we are all here for....excuse me
Don't be so pathetic - you are simply reducing your argument to the level of the playground, as you have done many times. As for setting the record straight, you need to hear what was said before you can make comment about anything. Surely?
Why would we jump to criticise a programme for innacuracy when nobody here has criticised it's accuracy? I for one wouldn't expect anything less than a 24 episode series to do anything like full justice to each one of the Beaches so I'm hardly going to complain when an hour-long documentary didn't cover every aspect. Bleat about 'debate' as much as you like Chris but you simply can't start a 'debate' based on a programme you haven't seen, it's faintly mental. Debate has to have something to start with, a hypothesis, a supposition even, not a knee-jerk response to a few lines of chat on the web.
For someone who wants to be taken seriously as a Historian you do have some odd ideas, Christos. Listen to Paul, he's been involved with similar programs both on screen and behind the camera. Then again I may complain to the production Company for using the wrong Canadian Flag.
im with cristos,but i been in the glasshouse too.i cannot write what i want too,or i will be inside again.yours,lee.
im with cristos,but i been in the glasshouse too.i cannot write what i want too,or i will be inside again.yours,lee. You won't Lee, You and Jeff were briefly glass-housed for winding each other up and have now returned with absolutely no hard feelings as good members. Say what you like as any bother is judged honestly on it's merits . It happens to be mods responding, but they're first and foremost active members. Chris isn't getting a kicking here in any 'moderator' style, he's getting it for a damned silly suggestion that I would have said was daft long before I took on the admin/mod mantle. D'you really think it's sensible to 'campaign' against a programme you've not seen mate? Cheers, Adam.
Alright....I'll do it on my own......the information I gave to you guys is not exactly a state secret...it's just not widely known..... What else is a site like this for? And as for legitimacy, I'll stand on my own in that department....I certainly don't need anybody elses approval for that....I wasn't even going to mention this site, but I was going to ask for your knowledgable help.... This is history....like it or not, it deserves to be told as it was, rather than as popular knowledge knows it to be... My God, If you guys have got a problem with this, it really does mystify me as to why...I would have thought that you might jump at the chance to become involved.....mistaken belief....look....perhaps I should just resign.....any suggestion I have is shouted down, I'm not so sure that anything I do here is welcomed....not sure whether this is because I'm not a veteran..... I'll just crawl back in my corner then, and mouth platitues as most people do about WWII, rather than serious debate... We have an oppurtunity to do a little more than just moan about inaccuracies....I thought thats what we are all here for....excuse me Christos why is it that every time someone disagrees, you get upset and wonder whether you should just leave?? I dont understand it. If you want to be taken seriously then stop throwing tantrums. I cant believe you asked the question "What else is a site like this for"? This board is set up for many types of people with interests in WWII Christos, from the beginner looking to "dip his toe" in the subject to the more seasoned scholar conducting a bit of research. In short its not JUST about serious debate. We get many people wandering in and making short posts, some of which are not just platitudes. Its not just about throwing articles ad nauseum up on the forums and adding your own comments in. If you think I'm being harsh well I think you were rather harsh in thinking that this site is only about "debates". Some of the most rewarding posts on this site relate to relatives of soldiers getting info about their loved ones/ancestors etc. We hold our veterans in high regard, but they have earned that title both in real life and here with their experiences and their first-hand knowledge of the era. However they are like anyone else here and lord knows how many times I've clashed with Sapper over issues relating to the Wehrmacht. But he has respect because he earned it . Anyways I dont recall all of us slavishly following suggestions from a veteran Because they are a veteran - its because we've thought the idea was good. And this idea about telling Richard Hammond what was wrong with a documentary you havent seen is a bad one. It seems to me that you are so eager to prove to the world that you know about WWII that you want to do anything to reinforce that belief. So write away but I'm with Paul on this one, keep WWII talk out of it. And hey if you are successful then you wont have to share the credit with anyone.
go for it christos,i am with you all the way,yours,lee.thanks adam. Best of luck with your venture Lee .
This is not a knee jerk reponce at all....I've simply got information that most are not aware of...even you guys....so if your knowlegable selves have no idea of this, then what chance do researchers have? WHY am I always accussed of 'chidishness'?....WHAT is so CHILDISH about this?. There are people here that I've been personally insulted by, and I don't hear a word of protest from moderators....I accuse nobody of anything I cannot prove.....I was even called a 'moron' for simply having a guess at a badge...which I note that nobody has quite pinned down yet.. I've tried to type in the full article for you all to read....twice now I've gotten halfway through typing before the system crashes and wipes it all off...so I gave up, and jusat gave you the short version.,... This is a legitimate attempt to show you that there are people on this earth that actually CARE about what happened in WW2. It galls me to have my attempts here to be brushed off in such a perfunctory fashion..... Every time I try to contribute something for people to read, there is always some objection...you don't seem to care about copyright when it comes to photos, and they are posted here without even an acknowlegment as to their source....so are we allowed to post photos without reference to copyright? You know, you guys may well find that as all the vets dissappear, that more people such as myself may take an interest in this subject. I put it to you that most kids just are not interested, and that vets really should encourage people, like myselfd, rather than finding fault with EVERY move I make here.... I'll bet my bottom dollar that if I presented you with an article researched and written by ME there would be objections to that on some grounds too.... When I talk about WW2 to ordinary people, they just don't want to know...I had imagined this site would welcome a little enthusiasm....wrong again, it seems... I had things planned for you guys....helping Spidge with his graves project.....trips to Darwin WW2 sites to post photos of same.....I was going to wait until I'm settled into my new place and job before I resumed my day-by-day look at German claims, something that will take a long time to complete, but will leave this site with a permanent and original body of work that we could use for reference....all these things I have, or had, in mind, just to say thankyou to you all for your efforts here at this great site.... But when I get this sort of half hearted reaction, it really does make me wonder whether my presence here causes you concern...and , compared to some of the people we get in here, making statement they don't wish to back up, look at the Russian that called me BIGOTTED for simply stateing the truth about Joeseph Stalin...you can bet your life they didnt come back and read my reply.....people like that don't want their illussions altered as to their various heroes (anyone that has Stalin as a personal heroe, in my view, knows NOTHING of the true nature of the Man of Steel...my history teacher in high school piqued my interest in the period, and I come off better informed than some Russians about their own history....(sigh )....the same thing happens to me when talking American history with a lot of Americans,,,they come off as being ill informed... Im not....I don't feel as if you people are a welcoming presence for a lot of the time......You try talking history with ordinary people and find out, like I did, just why there is so much lack of interest from ordinary people.....I thought a site like this would fill a significant gap in my knowledge, and as a 'buff' with only accuracy in mind, that this attitude may open doors.......it seems we have to shut this one off just to please the wowsers... I'm very dissappointed....SIANARA
See you later then Chris There's plenty more boards in the sea you know if you don't feel happy here. It is, after all, only the Internet.
I'll tell you why its childish, because EVERY time you are shot down or disagreed with your first reaction is "oh I'd better crawl into the corner". Its like the child that says "Right I'm going home" when he doesnt get his own way. I dont doubt your enthusiasm for the subject Chris, that is very apparent. I dont like how you assume things about people and then feel hurt and upset when people dont respond the way you want them to or expect them to. If you have left well I'm sorry we werent "Knowledgable" enough for you.
cheers gott, im trying to get into my old town on thursday or friday,the dis taxis seem to be more interested into taking kids too and from school than taking me from gifford to chippenham libry and back.i shall get there soon though,the taxi people where i am stop at 6pm.lee.
gifford to chippenham Ha ha, now I know where you live. Broughton Gifford. If I'm down that way I'll call in for a cuppa.
