Service Women's War Grave Photos for reference (previously titled FAO Tonym)

Stewardess SEYMOUR, ESTHER
Died 27/02/1916

Aged 40

S.S. "Maloja" (Belfast)
Mercantile Marine

Born in London.

 

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: Esther Seymour
Death Date: 27 Feb 1916
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 27 Mar 1916
Registry: London, England


UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Stewardess Esther Seymour
Birth Place: Greater London, England
Death Date: 27 Feb 1916
Cemetery: Tower Hill Memorial
Burial or Cremation Place: London Borough of Tower Hamlets, Greater London, England
Has Bio?: Y
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

Casualty of the Great War, Esther was a Stewardess serving in the Mercantile Marine on the S.S. "Maloja" (Belfast)P&O Liner which was mined off Dover.
She was 40.
Born in London.

She may also have a civilian death certificate, although the details of her age below are 10 years out, the registration of her death in March 1916 at Dover would seem to fit, so her age may just be a transcribing error.

Esther Seymour in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Esther Seymour
Death Age: 50
Birth Date: abt 1866
Registration Date: Mar 1916
Registration district: Dover
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 1605

TD

edited to add:
SS Maloja - Wikipedia

 

Aircraftwoman 2nd Class COLLIER, MAY ELIZABETH
Service Number 478941

Died 27/06/1944

Aged 23

Women's Auxiliary Air Force

Daughter of Joshua Edmund and Elizabeth Mabel Collier. of Walthamstow.

 

UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: May Elizabeth Collier
Birth Date: 1920
Birth Place: Essex, England
Death Date: 27 Jun 1944
Cemetery: Walthamstow Cemetery (Queens Road)
Burial or Cremation Place: Walthamstow, London Borough of Waltham Forest, Greater London, England
Has Bio?: Y
URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...


Birth: 1920
Essex, England
Death: Jun. 27, 1944
Casualty of WWII,May was an Aircraftwoman 2nd Class; in the Women's Auxiliary Air Force;Service No:478941

She was 23 and the daughter of Joshua Edmund and Elizabeth Mabel Collier of Walthamstow.
She was killed by enemy action. Interred in the grave of her brother "Sonny" Collier who died in 1925.



England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2005
Name: May E Collier
Mother's Maiden Surname: Crafts
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1920
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex, Suffolk
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 880

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995
Name: May Elizabeth Collier
Death Date: 27 Jun 1944
Death Place: Essex, England
Probate Date: 22 Aug 1944
Registry: Llandudno

The probate records that she died at 125 Fulham Road South Kensington, presume an air raid?

TD

 

I'm just curious, who took these photo's, and do the parents know ?

 

A forum member took the photos.

 

I was mainly wondering if the parents knew it was posted up here ? or do people just go around finding graves to take pictures of then submit them here

 

Kaeli, This particular thread honours all women that have died in service. Army, Air Force, Navy, Nurses etc.

 

We dont just go around taking pictures you will notice from this section War Grave Photographs it covers many aspects of casualties in service.

Can I ask the reason for your query

 

yes, I'm aware of that thanks

I was just wondering if any permissions from family members, for example. for posting up the pictures, or if they where just taken and posted up, I think i said that in my original post,
but now with your reply I'm a bit more confused about it all. if it's not just someone taking pictures if they see a grave, is there a list given out for people to go to particular places ? also, I did think this was for WW2 things ?

 

Hi and welcome to the forum,

You see, a lot of us reading this are just as confused by your question, especially by its generality.

Are you actually only asking about that one specific post-war casualty?


Or is it about all images of WW2 headstones?
The parents of service personnel who died during WW2 will also be deceased, so it's not a question of asking their permission. Many other relatives come on the forum either asking for help in obtaining images of graves they are unable to visit or to thank members for having shared them already. George Lysaght Hosford Steede, Rafvr
The majority of forum members also have relatives who served/died in the war, (some have themselves served in the forces post-war), and have received images taken by others; they return a favour in a general way via the forum. On the forum there have been single requests, long specific lists and general appeals for help.



Or, are you asking because you want to know if - generally speaking - all relatives of all deceased persons have to be traced and then asked, before an image of their relative's grave can ever be posted?
If so, I don't think that'd ever be practical.


Perhaps you are asking about lists "given out" and procedures because you're thinking of offering help, either here or elsewhere?


By way of further background this particular thread was started because one of our members Tonym - himself a WW2 veteran, sadly now deceased - asked elsewhere on the forum for help with his 'Service Women' commemorative research. He had such a wide area of research that I don't recall him offering up a list as such - he simply accepted whatever was offered by way of help whether it was images of memorials, graves, relevant war diary entries, newspaper notices, etc - all for the purpose, as you have gathered, of remembering those who gave their lives. Contributions continue to be posted also to honour in some small way what he started.

It might have WW2 in the title but this forum isn't all about WW2. Many members' interests go beyond that boundary, in one direction or another. That's why we also have Pre- and Post WW2 sub-forums.

 

hello Kaeli

just to give you an idea of what members also do is the thread here
CWGC Headstone/Memorial Error Reports and results.

You will see even from myself that I have reported many issues to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission.
The name misspelling,worn headstones ,broken headstone even lost graves.You will notice from the replies of CWGC they are grateful for the assistance because their resources are very limited.
WW1 is now almost beyond living memory bar a few people who were children during that period
WW2 will one day be thus as will other conflicts post WW2
We do this to Remember all casualties.
We do not want to upset anyone at all.
If a family member is unhappy about a particular post on the forum the moderators will be happy to help.If this is your case please send them a private message.
We would like to keep this thread as per the heading.

You will see from my next post a WW1 casualty whose name over the past one hundred years has eroded from the headstone.
CWGC have now replaced with a new commemoration stone.




regards
Clive

 

New commemoration stone laid

Nurse GOODMAN, DOROTHY CRANFIELD
Died 04/04/1916

Aged 24

Lewisham Military Hospital
Voluntary Aid Detachment

Daughter of Edwin Matthew and Rebecca Goodman.

Buried at HARROW CEMETERY

Location: Middlesex, United Kingdom
Number of casualties: 58

Cemetery/memorial reference: Sec. 22. Grave 3692.

 

Oh I wasn't meaning to cause friction, this looks like a nice way to remember people etc, I do admit at first i was a bit taken aback with the one I posted about, as this was my Niece (almost little sister as my Sister brought me up) as she's never said anything I was wondering if she knew it was here - I don't want to message her about it if she didn't know as we have had a few "enquiries" over facebook by a couple of women in the past wanting to know all the details etc, which we thought was a bit distasteful ( not implying that this is, this is a whole different thing)
but i was wondering about posting up if I ever came across any, or if that would be inappropriate, or whether there where certain people that did this or if anyone just posted them

 

Thanks for your explanation. None of us would ever want to intrude on anyone's grief. We merely wish to ensure that as many casualties as possible are remembered - as more than names on a list - and that relatives can find help if they want it. Quite often this forum has been of assistance to relatives who never knew what happened, whose 'family stories' became distorted over time or who can't visit graves.

However to confirm, in general terms, headstone images are accepted from any volunteer by the forum and indeed by numerous other websites which might specialise in units, local memorials, nationalities, campaigns, war graves, genealogy, commemoration research, etc, etc.

If your sister gets upset, even by our good intentions, please let us know.

 

Section Office rEASTON, JOAN MARJORIE
Service Number 2986

Died 08/09/1943

Women's Auxiliary Air Force
Casualty

 

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Joan M Easton
Death Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1917
Registration Date: Sep 1943
Registration district: Ely
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 515

1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Joan M Easton
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 30 May 1917
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 32
Residence Place: Bexley, Kent, England
Occupation: S/Hand Typist
Schedule Number: 155
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: CJFC
Registration district: 43-1.


UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Section Officer Joan Marjorie Easton
Birth Date: 1917
Death Date: 8 Sep 1943
Cemetery: Charlton Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Charlton, Royal Borough of Greenwich, Greater London, England
Has Bio?: Y
URL: https://www.findagrave.com/mem...

Joan was born in Woolwich in 1917-she is buried with her brother who died in 1941 whilst on active service.
Joan was killed at Sutton, Surrey whilst going to the rescue of the crew of a Stirling III BK809/T bomber which crashed on take-off striking a petrol bowser and burst into flames.The captain and RAF air bomber lost their lives in the crash, while three of the other five crew were injured, including the flight engineer, who later died also. An RNZAF navigator of the Squadron, helping out with harvesting on a nearby farm while on leave, also rushed to the scene to assist, but he and Joan died in the blast when some of the bombs exploded. Two civilians also died, while others were injured. The two New Zealanders are buried at Cambridge.

Rest in peace brave lady
TD

 

This is the grave of my children’s great great aunt on their dads side. Thank you,for sharing as the living family didn’t know where Mollys grave was so it can now be visited. Molly was from Upchurch near a Rainham in a Kent and had one sister the late Kathleen (Kate) Coveney.

 

Thank you for posting this, it isn’t the grave of my children’s great great aunt Molly from Upchurch near a Rainham Kent Uk, the sister of their great nan Kathleen Coveney

 

Private
PUGH, DORA CECELIA
Service Number W/102042
Died 11/12/1942
Aged 20
Auxiliary Territorial Service
Daughter of James and Alice Pugh, of Birmingham.

Buried at BIRMINGHAM (WITTON) CEMETERY
Location: Warwickshire, United Kingdom
Number of casualties: 690
Cemetery/memorial reference: Sec. 42. Grave 5828.

CWGC