Searching more information about 2701048 Guardsman Albert Stewart GUY, Scots Guards: 15/07/1944

Hi everyone I’m searching more information about Scots Guards (ALBERT STEWART GUY), he died in Arezzo on the 15th July 1944 in Arezzo. He is buried in the Arezzo War Cemetery (IV. B. 24). Also he is cited in the book (NOT JUST A NAME ALRESFORD, HAMPSHIRE AND DISTRICT 20th CENTURY DEATHS IN THE ARMED SERVICES) by GLENN GILBERTSON (page 279). I will like to find more information mabye like a photograph or some more information about him.
Thank you.


https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2097339/albert-stewart-guy/
GUARDSMAN ALBERT STEWART GUY
Service Number: 2701048
Regiment & Unit: Scots Guards
Date of Death: 15 July 1944
Age 22 years old
Buried or commemorated at AREZZO WAR CEMETERY
Grave Reference: IV. B. 24.
Location: Italy
Additional Info: Son of Albert Edward and Jessie Andrina Guy, of Ropley, Hampshire.
Personal Inscription: "BELOVED"

 

Leonardo,

Welcome aboard. Guy does feature here before, on lists of Guardsmen and if you use his service number in the search box (top right) there is one thread about cemeteries, where he and many other Guardsmen appear. I doubt he died alone. See: Guards - Italy Cemeteries list

Others here focus on the Guards Regiments, hopefully they will add more.

 

S Company Scots Guards was attached to 2nd Battalion Coldstream Guards

He is listed on Pg 512, Appendix A, The Scots Guards 1919-1955 ; David Erskine
as
2701048 Gdsm. Guy, A.S. , S Company, Italy, 15.7.44

CWGC Concentration form confirms this ("Att 2 Coldsm Gds"). It also gives original burial location.



I'll check the above History and post any relevant pages later.


See also, War diary 2CG, 1944:

• Second Battalion Coldstream Guards in WW2 (War Diary: 1944)

 

Pgs 259-262, The Scots Guards 1919-1955 ; David Erskine
S Company SG attached 2CG, June - August 1944

 

Pgs 230-232, The Coldstream Guards 1920-1946 ; Howard & Sparrow
2CG, June - August 1944

 

Than

Thank you very much for all the great information

 

Thank you dfb for all the information you gave me

 

Hello Leonardo,

Here's the map of the area described above.

You will note that Guardsman Guy died on the slopes of Monte Lignano.

Regards,

Vitellino

 

Thank you Vitellino
I know that because I’m from Arezzo and I went many times on Monte Lignano and to Stoppiacce that on the 15 of July 1944 was one of the main objectives and also point 575. But still very interesting. Thank you

 

What is your particular interest in Guardsman Guy, Leonardo?

 

From the book , A Pilgrimage of Remembrance by Michael Curtis.
Extract to give a bit of flavour & photo of war memorial with Gdsm Guy's name on it.

 

So I often visit the places between Stoppiace and point 501 so it was interesting finding a name and a story of one of the men that died in that place.

 

Thank you very much I was trying to buy that book for a long time, you helped me a lot.

 

£3.20 here.
A Pilgrimage of Remembrance: An Anthology of the History of a Scots Guard Company in the Italian Campaign 1944/5 by Curtis, Michael: Used; Good Hardcover (2004) | Brit Books


Better photos of that memorial on FB.
Memorials to... - 2nd Battalion Coldstream Guards 1939-1945

 

That's Phaethon's f/b page, he researches 2CG and has published books

• The 2nd Bn. Coldstream Guards at War 1939-1945
• https://www.amazon.co.uk/kindle-dbs...age=1&langFilter=default#formatSelectorHeader

Hasn't been on the forum for years.

 

Hi everyone I thank you all for the response. I’m continuing my research on Albert Stewart Guy. To complete my research I’ll need a photograph. I didn’t find him in any archive, maybe someone has his squad picture. Thank you.

 

Hello everyone, Im a bit late but I am also looking for a photograph of Albert as he was a family member. I can never find pictures of S company during the years he was enlisted and I'm not sure where to look. I emailed the Scots Guards archives enquiry but I didn't hear back and I also checked through the Coldstream Guards facebook groups but I had no luck in there either. Is there any where else I should look?

Thanks in advance for any replies as well as the information already on here.

 

Leonardo & E. Guy,

It is rare to find an official photo taken of a soldier during WW2, individuals rarely had their own camera and there security issues in having one. I cannot tell if he joined the Army before WW2, when it was possible he might appear in photos in the regimental journal (not necessarily indexed).

Have you tried the IWM for its photo collection for S Company?

It is possible a photo appeared after his death in a local newspaper; they can be searched via the British Newspaper Archive (BNA). Most public libraries in England enable in-person access, so that is an option. BNA is behind a ££ pay wall otherwise.

E. Guy,

We always recommend applying for the subject's full service record (except the Scots Guards who hold their own). Yes, it may take a year to arrive - either from the MoD or National Archives (TNA). It is not available online and is the definitive record. There is nothing you can do about the wait. The records were never intended to be read today. See: Get a copy of military records of service

Have you pursued that option?

 

Hi,

Welcome to the forum.

“27” series Scots Guards recruits are WW2 enlistments and last time I looked on findmypast there were very few service files for post 1938 enlistments. You could take out a 14 day free trial to see if they have added more records in case he is there - before contacting RHQ Scots Guards for a copy file if he is not there.

You will be very lucky to get a photo from RHQ as it was not the norm to take individual ID photo’s at that time. You will have a better chance looking through his local area newspapers around the time of his death.

He appears to have a connection to Royal Bank of Scotland as he appears on their memorial in Glasgow. You could try them for a photo -

ROYAL BANK OF SCOTLAND HEAD OFFICE WW2 MEMORIAL – Scots Guards

Good Luck

Steve

PS

I don’t recall if there are any photo’s of S Company in D C Quilter’s (ex Captain 2nd CG) informal history of 2nd & 3rd CG in WW2 but you could try and get a copy via an inter library loan and check.


EDIT TO ADD

Hathi Trust have an online copy thst is available to view - see below link.

It includes a couple of pages from 1980 edition of The Sunday Times Dunkirk 40 year anniversary edition that mentions Jimmy Langley 2nd CG who lost an arm there and could not be evacuated. He escaped from France and returned to UK to have a good war in MI9 with Airey Neave (Colditz escaper and later MP - assassinated by IRA 1979).



https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015104673655&seq=7

 

Hi,

Thanks David and Steve for your replies. I thought the chances of an individual picture would be very slim so I was mainly hoping there might be a regimental photo. It seems that because S company were attached to 2nd CG there isn't much information about the men before they joined prior to the Italy campaign. I own a copy of 'A Pilgrimage of Remembrance' (mentioned previously) which was written by the nephew of Captain Neilson who led S company and died during the same assault on Monte Lignano. It says that S coy was made up of 150 men that were previously trained under Captain Neilson at IRTD Rotondi. As Albert was born in 1922 he would not have been able to enlist before 1940 but I am not sure when he joined and if he was already in the Army before S company.

There are several great photos from the imperial war museum but unfortunately there are no names listed.

I have tried ancestry and find my past which brought up a few newspapers but there were no photographs on there. Thank you I'll definitely try and find more news papers I hadn't thought about the photos in the papers.

I've been to the archives in Kew to see his dad's files, who served in the Navy during WW1, but I am not sure if they have his because as you've said the Scots Guards hold their own files. Is it worth applying anyway?

Thanks for the suggestion, I have just emailed the Bank of Scotland's archives.

The photo in 'No dishonourable name' by D C Quilter is also in the IWM, if I can manage to find a picture to cross reference I am there is a chance he will be in one of them. It was very interesting to read about the campaign from the 2nd CG's perspective having read Captain Neilson's letters in 'A Pilgrimage of Remembrance'.

Thanks again for the help gentlemen, I appreciate any replies a lot.