Searching for William A T Day

Discussion in 'General' started by Stephen Nulty, Dec 12, 2017.

  1. Stephen Nulty

    Stephen Nulty Member

    As per the title, I am looking for any information on this chap who is named on the Second World War memorial from Prescot Grammar School.

    Though predominantly a Great War researcher, I occasionally look into the men of the Second World War from Prescot, and William is proving to be quite elusive

    He attended Prescot Grammar School from 1925 to 1929. I found his entry in the 1939 Register living in Cross Lane, Whiston, this showing his DoB of 02/10/1913 which fits in with the School dates.

    I have a death registration in June 1941 in Salford for man of the same age.

    That's it. He doesn't appear to be commemorated by CWGC and I can't find anything else on him anywhere

    Over to you guys, anything found will be greatly appreciated.
     

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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Stephen

    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: William A T Day
    Death Age: 27
    Birth Date: abt 1914
    Registration Date: Jun 1941
    Registration district: Salford
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8d
    Page: 666

    This would appear to be the death details of your man, a copy of the certificate would show what his cause of death was

    The only birth that is a good possibility is:
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1837-1915
    Name: William A Day
    Mother's Maiden Name: Anderton
    Registration Year: 1913
    Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration district: Salford
    Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Volume: 8d
    Page: 127


    As he has a civil death registration I would assume he died within the UK, probably close to home from either an accident or an illness, again the death cert would help resolve that.

    TD
     
  3. Stephen Nulty

    Stephen Nulty Member

    Cheers TD
     
  4. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    Hmm. The 1939 Register entry raises more questions than answers:

    1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
    29 Cross Lane, Whiston, Lancashire
    NAME DOB OCCUPATION
    William A T Day 02 Oct 1913 Electrical Production Engineer
    Alice Day 05 Jun 1881 Unpaid Domestic Duties [m]
    Herbert S Groarke ? Aug 1915 Elec Copper Refining Labourer
    Jessie M Jones (Groarke) 22 Dec 1922 Cable Wire Examiner

    Alice is described as 'married'. Looking at the original image her entry has been crossed out in red pen and a note added "see Page 20". Searching for her reveals:

    1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
    29 Cross Lane, Whiston, Lancashire
    NAME DOB OCCUPATION
    Alice Day 05 Jun 1881 Udd

    Same address (and still 'married'), but living alone seemingly.

    It seems highly likely that she is the mother of William A T Day, but I can't connect her with the William A Day, born 1913 in Salford.
     
  5. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Wonder if this is her death cert details:
    England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
    Name: Alice Day
    Death Age: 71
    Birth Date: abt 1879
    Registration Date: Sep 1950
    Registration district: Liverpool North
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Volume: 10d
    Page: 224

    TD
     
  6. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    Or this:

    NAME: Alice Day
    BIRTH: abt 1880
    DEATH: Mar 1964 - Liverpool North, Lancashire
     
  7. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Is it possible someone could check this out -

    UK and Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1300s-Current
    Name: William Alfred Tom Day
    Death Date: 23 Apr 1941
    Cemetery: Philips Park Cemetery
    Burial or Cremation Place: Miles Platting, Metropolitan Borough of Manchester, Greater Manchester, England
    Has Bio?: N
    URL: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-...

    Be interesting to see if there is a DoB on the headstone or if there is anything re his death cert

    TD
     
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  8. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    Burial Date Deceased Cemetery Grave Number Grave
    23/04/1941, William Alfred Tom Day, Philips Park Cemetery, FConsecrated 285

    Grave 285:

    Cemetery Section Grave Position Deceased
    Philips Park Cemetery FConsecrated 285 1 Edward Birch
    Philips Park Cemetery FConsecrated 285 2 Thomas William Birch
    Philips Park Cemetery FConsecrated 285 3 William Alfred Tom Day
    Philips Park Cemetery FConsecrated 285 4 Elizabeth Ellen Birch
     
  9. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Theres nothing there that tells us his DoB?? or a way to find it and corroborate the death details above??

    Hes the only William A T Day I have found that died between 1939 & 1945

    TD
     
  10. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    The more I look into this, the more obscure it seems to become.

    Perhaps worth contacting Prescot School? Their admission registers would make interesting reading, assuming they still exist.
     
  11. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

  12. amberdog45

    amberdog45 Senior Member

  13. M&SFHF

    M&SFHF Junior Member

    Hi everyone, the William Alfred Tom Day buried in Philips park cemetery was aged 22 years.
    His occupation was - Electrician
    Abode given as: 16 Orient road, Pendleton, Salford.

    Edward Birch buried 27th Aug 1936, son of Thomas William & Elizabeth Ellen Birch nee Wray.
    He died age 22 years.
    Occupation was Metal turner.
    Abode given as: 83 Ascot road, Newton Heath.

    At this moment in time i can find no connection between these men, maybe they were schooled together at some-point?

    I'll keep looking.

    M&SFHF :)
     
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  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    as stated before DC will confirm death details
     
  15. Stephen Nulty

    Stephen Nulty Member

    Thanks for the continued research.
     
  16. amberdog45

    amberdog45 Senior Member

    It's just a thought, but these guys may not be related or connected at all. Local authorities sometimes put unconnected people in the same grave. I've recently read to about people selling a plot on to somebody else when all the spaces hadn't been used.
     
  17. M&SFHF

    M&SFHF Junior Member

    Earlier i post "William Alfred Tom Day buried in Philips park cemetery was aged 22 years.." this is incorrect and should be 27 years old.

    A typo error by me, sorry for any confusion.

    M&SFHF
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2017
  18. M&SFHF

    M&SFHF Junior Member

    Amberdog45, he lived in Salford and that is a separate city to Manchester where he was buried.
    Salford have many communal council owned cemeteries, i couldn't see them paying another council to bury him?
    There has to be some personal/family connection i thik, we just haven't found it - YET!

    M&SFHF
     
  19. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    Here's the Birch household:

    1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
    83 Ascot Road, Manchester, Lancashire
    NAME DOB OCCUPATION
    Elizabeth E Birch 15 Oct 1883 Unpaid Domestic (widow)
    May Gardner (Birch) 10 Jun 1916 Electrical Worker
    Sorry, this record is officially closed
    Ada Carey 21 Oct 1921 Printer Packing Out

    I thought William Day was perhaps courting May Birch (I've found a lot of men staying with their in-laws/in-laws to be), but she married James Gardner at Newton Heath, St. Wilfrid in 1941.

    Ada was born Birch.

    Not much help
     
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  20. ClankyPencil

    ClankyPencil Senior Member

    I checked the headstone this morning. It's really difficult to read and the engraving hardly shows up on photos.

    Anyhow, best i can make out the inscription is as follows:-
    [Top of headstone]
    Edward
    Dearly Beloved Son of
    Thomas William & Elizabeth Ellen Birch
    Who died August 22nd 1936 Aged 22 years

    Thomas Wiiliam father of the above
    & Beloved Husband of
    Elizabeth Ellen Birch
    Died July 24 1939 Aged 65 years

    [Gap]

    [Bottom of headstone]
    And William Alfred 'Alf'
    Beloved Son of
    William & Alice Day
    Who died April 18th 1941 Aged 27 years
    Resting
     
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