References to VD, Brothels, etc in WW2

Discussion in 'General' started by Franek, Jul 8, 2009.

  1. JimHerriot

    JimHerriot Ready for Anything

    Brown and mild 1/6d (cheap at half the price!)

    Therms (at prices nowadays) = thermals.

    For the coming winter, combinations. Get 'em while they're cheap (just make sure they have a functional escape hatch)

    Kind regards, always,

    Jim.

    P.S. Mepacrine's wearing off!
     
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  2. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    It reminds me that there were always the older patrons of a pub who went for the cheapest ale,that of mild which as I remember was the warning, don't drink mild, all the slops are recovered into the mild barrels.

    From what I see,mild does not appear on the tariffs of pubs nowadays,it certainly was popular in the "old days" for the old patrons.
     
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  3. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake All over the place....

    Hamilton quotes from the divisional order

    "My view is that if a man wants to have a woman let him do so, by all means: but let him take precautions" He does not do so in full. Is the pamphlet in the National Archives?
     
  4. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Encountered this American article in 2015 whilst looking into matters Algeria and it may interest some here. A junior US Army officer operated a brothel for his regiment. I will copy this post to ww2f.com our American "sister".

    The article's title being: 'Venereal Disease and American Policy in a Foreign War Zone: Venereal Disease and American Policy in a Foreign War Zone: 39th Infantry Regiment in Sidi-Bel-Abbes, Algeria. May of 1943. 39th Infantry Regiment in Sidi-Bel-Abbes, Algeria. May of 1943.'

    The Abstract:
    Link: https://scholarworks.uno.edu/cgi/vi...gle.com/&httpsredir=1&article=3191&context=td
     
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  5. PackRat

    PackRat Well-Known Member

    From the war diary of 'C' Squadron 146 Tank Regiment RAC (names deleted to preserve the poor chap's dignity):

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    What a way to go down to posterity... Shot in battle and the diary records you as '1 O.R. Killed in Action', be a bit careless on your last leave and you get a full name check in the historical record!
     
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  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  7. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

    The blurb from the Publisher
    "One of the last untold stories of the Second World War, Salon Kitty's sensational true history is now revealed by historians Nigel Jones, Urs Brunner and Dr Julia Schrammel."

    And from the Spectator Review
    "Right from the outset, the book’s authors, Nigel Jones, Urs Brunner and Julia Schramel, note that there are ‘practically no cast-iron sources for the events at Salon Kitty and the people who frequented it’. This is most likely why, after an introduction, the subject doesn’t reappear until chapter eight of the book."

    348 pages.
    No prizes for guessing which image of Heydrich is on the cover.
    Think I'll give it a swerve.
     
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  8. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    Posters from NARA: use Advanced Search and enter the number in the "Control Number" line.
     

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  9. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer Pearl Harbor Myth Buster

  10. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Mist over Dartmoor

    Not as high ranked but from the A History of the 67th Field Regt. with added the note from Capt Raban about their first few days in Italy 1944
    Capt Raban was to later become an Anglican Priest as was his father and grandfather.
    The Gordons however reported that it was not as bad as the Arab Villages of North Africa.
    They stayed there while the 67th moved on elsewhere.

    . Spinazzola.jpg
     
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  11. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    I read an interesting book this fall on the US Army and in Hawaii during the war that covers both race and sex. It is entitled:

    Bailey, Beth and Farber, David. The First Strange Place: Race and Sex in World War II Hawaii. Baltimore: John Hopkins University Press, 1992.

    Between 1941 and 1944, about 250 prostitutes were registered as "entertainers" with the Honolulu Police Department. Each paid $1 a year for her license and was expected to report her earnings and pay taxes on them. Approximately fifteen houses of prostitution operated in Hawaii.
     
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  12. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer Pearl Harbor Myth Buster

    I've seen reports that the line for "the enlisted brothels" literally went around the block. :wacko:
     
  13. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Here is a picture of the lines from the book:

    Hawaii.jpg
     
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  14. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Here is a brief passage from the book on the "atmosphere" of the brothels. The book gets into much more detail than should be posted here:

    "In the rushed atmosphere of the brothels, many of the men went to the first available woman. Some men had favorites, and some wanted to choose. Sometimes little lines formed in wait for a certain sporting woman. Several of the houses were set up with blondes operating out of the rooms on one side of the hall and brunettes working out of the rooms on the other side. Men could pick a woman by her hair color. Some men, with money to burn, bought two tickets and went first with one and then the other.


    Most of the women were so busy that the waiting servicemen and war workers had little opportunity to look them over. The men made their choices based on past experience or friends' recommendations. Most just took a chance. A sign in one of the houses reminded all concerned about the rules of engagement: "Men are very fickle and until a man is in the trick room he has a right to change his mind." The sign was just one indication of who was in charge and at whose expense most jokes in the brothel were played.


    Maids carrying small towels, dirty or clean, brushed past the men. The women, in various states of undress, dashed in and out of rooms. When a man's turn came, he went into a cubicle the trick room- often a regular room divided into half by a flimsy sheet of plywood or wall board which sometimes reached only two thirds of the way to the ceiling. The room was bare except for a single cot, a table with a wash bowl and a wastebasket. Often the man undressed or waited alone for a minute while the prostitute finished up on the other side of the partition. The man could hear what went on on the other side and he knew he would be heard in turn.


    Most of the brothels used what was called a "bullring" setup.The bullring consisted of three rooms. In one room, a man un-dressed, in a second the prostitute engaged her customer, in a third a man who had finished put his clothes back on. In the brothels, time was money. The prostitutes wanted to move the men in and out as quickly as possible.


    For many of the men, sexually inexperienced and fresh from months at sea or long weeks in a battle zone, the three minutes they had bought was more than enough. As one veteran noted,"they put it in and they're gone. Sometimes they're gone washing off in the pail...." For those who could hold back, the women used their expertise; they were professionals at getting men to come fast."
     
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  15. Rob Crane

    Rob Crane Well-Known Member

    The other day I was looking through files that belonged to that wonderful creature, a hoarder. The spelling strikes me as suspicious - it seems to me to be how a stereotypical 1940s Englishman would expect a 1940s foreigner to speak/type, possibly more so than how a foreigner actually would do so - but found them intriguing to see.
     

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  16. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    I recall Bernard Fall, an American journalist, who wrote several books on the French and then US wars in Vietnam, referred to the French Army's use of brothels and prostitutes - the later mainly from a particular North African tribe. They were even airlifted into isolated outposts and would serve as nurses if needed. Yes, slightly off topic. I expect the French Army did the same in WW2; with the caveat the North African elements of the French Army, notably when in Italy, had a certain reputation - which Stolpi has covered in one of his threads.
     
  17. GeoffMNZ

    GeoffMNZ Well-Known Member

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