RASC Dunkirk

Discussion in '1940' started by Mr Grinch, Sep 17, 2008.

  1. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Hi all,

    My Great Grandfather Howard Muspratt Boylette was a Pre War Territorial in the RASC and was called at the outbreak of hostilities and proceeded to France. He was evacuated and returned to England where he served for the rest of the war in a training role, mainly due to his age.

    Is there a list of does anyone have a list of any Territorial or Regular RASC units that were involved in the early stages of the war ?

    Any help appreciated.

    Regards
    James:)
     
  2. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    You'll probably need his Service Record to find where he served. The Trux site will give you lots of info on the sort of services provided to the BEF by the RASC.

    BEF 1940

    The BEF had very long lines of communication from their arrival, for instance via Cherbourg and Le Mans so plenty of logistical support needed.
     
  3. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Thanks for that. I thought it maybe a long shot.
    Regards
    James
     
  4. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Hi again,

    His papers have come through and he served in 55 Company RASC in the BEF. Maybe in 2 Company, Amn PK (?) .
    Is there any interesting info of these chaps?
    Regards
    James
     
  5. Capt.Sensible

    Capt.Sensible Well-Known Member

  6. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Thanks for that, do you know where i could look for what he did during Dunkirk ??

    Regards
    James
     
  7. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    I will see if there is anything in the RASC History about them. Will come back to you and post over the weekend.
     
  8. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Brill,
    Thanks for that.

    James
     
  9. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I can't find any mention in my BEF Orders of Battle etc. but these Lines of Communication troops are notoriously difficult to pin down.

    As I mentioned, the BEF had very long transport links as the French had tried to avoid giving them a re-suppliable garrison around the channel ports. Huge transport resources were necessary to supply troops based on the Belgian border with material landed in Cherbourg etc.

    I tried a search on http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/geoffs-search-engine/ but found nothing for '55' and RASC so there may not be any casualty burials to help with locations.

    Does his record show the date that he arrived back in the UK ? If your family has no objection, it may be useful to post a scan of his record as there may be other clues ?
     
  10. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Hi,
    His movements show the following for the period:

    22nd March 1938 - 55 Coy RASC (2 Corps Amn Pk, 4 (?) Pk)
    8th Feb 1940 - 2nd Corps Amn Pk
    4th March 1940 - Granted 10 Days leave UK
    14th March 1940 - Rejoined Unit from leave to same unit
    1st April 1940 - 290 Coy
    31st May 1940 - Posted ex BEF at Bayden Camp to 2 Corps A PK
    16th June 1940 - 55 Coy
    9th July 1940 - 290 Coy 18 Div

    He ended up for the final years of the war in 600 Coy RASC (C.M.T).
    I take it then he wasnt on the beaches at the time of evacuation and probably departed at Cherbourg ??
    Regards
    James
     
  11. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  12. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Could well be worth having a look !
    Thanks for that.

    James
     
  13. Paul Reed

    Paul Reed Ubique

    I will see if there is anything in the RASC History about them. Will come back to you and post over the weekend.

    Had a look at the history. No specific mention of 55 Coy RASC for 1939/40.

    Details of the book are:

    Anon - The Story of the Royal Army Service Corps 1939-1945 (G Bell & Sons 1955)
     
  14. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    The situation at the end of May 1940 was very confusing and it is difficult to be sure who was where. Was he effectively with 290 Company between 10th May and 31st May, at which time he was back in the UK ? I can't find reference to a Bayden Camp.

    I have found a mention of 2 Corps Amunition Park (pp 312-4 'Destination Dunkirk' - Blaxland)

    In dealing with the defence organised by Lieutenant Colonel Brazier of 53rd Medium Regt. of Hoogstade on the road to Furnes (Veurne) on 28th May, Blaxland says: "Apart from the 25 officers and 200 men of his own regiment, his largest contingent was 147 officers and men of the II Corps Ammunition Park RASC and these he placed on the right of the line, where the canal bends round the town. Next to them were I Corps Field Survey Company RE...

    ...during the night they began to shell the town with 150-mm guns and greatly to harry the RASC defenders of the British right flank...

    ...But in the afternoon the RASC ammunition handlers, who had endured much torment from guns and mortars, could contain the enemy no longer and their Spandau machine guns began to splutter forth their bursts from the west bank, turning Brazier's right flank".

    It seems likely from this that 2 Corps Amn. Park probably didn't make it out of France which is why he was transferred back to them post-Dunkirk.

    The task now may be to find 290 Company RASC !
     
  15. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Thanks for that !
    Where would i look for 290 Company ??

    Regards
    James
     
  16. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Thanks for that !
    Where would i look for 290 Company ??

    Regards
    James

    I don't know James but I'm thinking about it !

    Is it your interpretation of the service records that he was with 290 for the critical month of May ?

    I've tried Geoff's search engine again and the only casualties that I can find from '290' and 'RASC' are from NW Europe 1944 -1945 so no handy locations there.

    It may well be the case that he was evcuated from a more southern port such as Brest, St Nazaire or Cherbourg. There were few casualties there until the loss of the 'Lancastria', by which time he seems to have been home.

    I suspect that you may have to take Owen's advice and visit Kew. At least it's only a short train journey away !

    Rich
     
  17. Mr Grinch

    Mr Grinch Private 1st Class

    Thanks again Rich.
    It does look like 290 Company but maybe 270. This writing can look awfully squashed.
    Regards
    James
     
  18. ukhozi

    ukhozi Junior Member

    My father, Sgt. Jack Lee (T99976) was evacuated from St Nazaire on 18th June 1940, Rasc ambulance driver. served in N.Frfica and was at D-Day, was wounded in left arm a couple of weeks into the invasion and againl wounded in 1945 and spent last months also training where he was wounded in the left eye when the rifle he was training a recruit with had a misfire and blew back when he opened the bolt, (shouldn't do that, tut tut, ouch).
    No Bayden camp but Borden camp was on Salibury plain
     
  19. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    The only 290 and 270 Coys in France during 1940 were RE units. I would go with Owen's suggestion.
     
  20. ukhozi

    ukhozi Junior Member

    Info flooding in at a snails pace.
    Sept 1939 posted to RASC 4 Res M.T. Coy RASC
    30th Sept 1939 Posted 50 Coy RASC
    31st Dec 1940 Posted "A" coy 1 HL Bn ((218) Coy 3 Ambulance car Company RASC but this is not listed in their order of battle for that period, just says,"Elements of RAOC and RASC", guess he was one of the "elements"
    21st Feb 1941, Posted FROM "A" Coy 1(HL) BN
    4th May 1942, Passed PT instructors course 'B'
    No further record of unit or postings until
    14th Dec 1942, Cross country cycle course, passed
    12 Feb 1943 Y listed B ?
    Then gap until 27th June 1944 wounded in left arm, 'Y' listed 1 HL BN
    5th Oct 1944 TOS (?) From 'Y' list "A" Coy 1 HL BN
    5th Oct 1944 'A' class release, Instructor, 556 Coy Inf Div THS
    20th Oct 1944 released to class 'Z', I think this is reserves, 557 Coy Inf Div THS

    I can find some history of 51st HL Div and the 1st Bn but not the RASC attachments so I have no idea if 3 car ambulance coy RASC was in Africa and Sicily or not.

    Anyone shed some light on it?
    Peter
     

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