PLY/X 112694 Marine Roy HOWE, 31st Battalion Royal Marines: 01/06/1945

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  1. dwarf66

    dwarf66 New Member

    Could anyone shed any light or point me in the right direction. During the course of my family history research I can across a distant ancestor that I wasn't planning to look into particularly closely but I am a little intrigrued.

    His name is Roy Howe and his service number is PLY/X 112694 and he is buried in Ohlsdorf, Hamburg and his death is listed 1/6/1945. He is shown as being in the 31st Battalion of the Royal Marines. I was intrigued to know how he ended up in Hamburg, my initial assumption was that he was a POW. When I tried to find out more about his unit I was struggling to find mention of a 31st battalion of the Royal Marines.

    Grateful for any information on this unit.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    Hi,

    Welcome to the forum.

    It would’ve been helpful for other members to post a link to his CWGC entry - here

    https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2200320/roy-howe/

    Although he is now buried in Hamburg he was initially buried in Voorde - just outside Kiel - a major German naval port. He is shown as died in the concentration report. I doubt he was an ex POW. There were RM contingents in the area of the German naval ports in the immediate aftermath of the end of the war - including 30 Assault Unit RM.

    There is a war diary for 31 RM shown in NA Discovery archive search catalogue - image attached. It is not digitised so it would need a visit to UK NA at Kew to examine it.

    Hopefully others may be able to assist further.

    Good luck.

    Steve

    EDIT TO ADD

    2 of the 3 copies of the burial concentration report have him as “died” but the third copy has the typed “died” overwritten with a 3 letter acronym that looks to be “KAS”. I interpret that as Killed At Sea.

    You may find that a trawl of online newspapers may find a mention of his death.
     

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  3. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    31st Royal Marine Battalion

    Raised

    26 January 1945 at Deal


    The battalion served under 117th Brigade, Royal Marines from 29 January to 31 August 1945. The brigade was located in the United Kingdom until 13 May 1945, at sea until 14 May, in North-West Europe until 30 June and then in the United Kingdom. The brigade was in the Keil area from 18 May to 27 June. The battalion was disbanded shortly after the war. D Company went to 33rd RM Battalion on 7 October 1945.
     
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  4. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    The 31st Battalion certainly did exist, although it took awhile to find an official reference in Admiralty Fleet Orders: Manpower Re-Allocation 15/11/1945 and one mention on pg.22. Note - this is in an official Australian archive: https://www.navy.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/6486-6531.pdf

    Then by dropping "st"::
    From: Kiel

    You might find it easier to follow the service of the brigade, rather than the battalion.

    The link takes you to their War Diaries January to June 1945: https://www.google.co.uk/books/edit...+"Royal+Marines"&pg=PA294&printsec=frontcover

    This link refers to a parade upon their return home, but not accessed: Bolts from the Blue: From Cold War Warrior to Chief of the Air Staff [Hardcover ed.] 1911621092, 9781911621096 - DOKUMEN.PUB
     
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  5. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Northampton Mercury 29 June 1945
    howe.jpg
     
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  6. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    For context on the RN & RM presence in Northern Germany, see this rather unclear format. Here is one passage:
    From: HMS Princess Louise, Brunsbuttel World Naval Ships Forums Archive

    I could see any CWGC record for fatalities in the 31st (though the search engine is not perfect).

    I wonder if as the war's outcome became clearer cadre units retained in the UK were strengthened to become active service or field formations. Given the shortage of infantry in the British Army, and the RN's role it makes sense - to me - to use such formations after VE-Day.

    A "patch" website refers to and omits 31 Bn!:
    From: British Commando WWII Patch Royal Marine Division Patch 1942

    A little more:
    From: Royal Marines Historical Time Line 2000-2024
     
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  8. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

    Can help post VE Day 8 May 45

    31st Infantry Battalion Royal Marines of 117th Infantry Brigade Royal Marines
    Commanding Officer: Lieutenant Colonel GW Innes
    Battalion Headquarters: Seine Camp, Stadtkreis Kiel
    1 Jun 45 – Company – Strand Promonade Travemünde north-east of Lübeck

    The Brigade returned to the UK via Ostend by 27 Jun 45

    21st Army Group later British Army of the Rhine (under construction)
     
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  9. dwarf66

    dwarf66 New Member

    Thank you all for contributions - very much appreciated.
     

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