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OPERATION BLACKCOCK : 1st Commando Bde (Jan 45)

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by stolpi, Sep 22, 2021.

  1. Kelsey Emuss

    Kelsey Emuss New Member

    Hello!
    I have stumbled across this very comprehensive overview while doing some research and while I have not yet read it entirely (I will) I am wondering if you could give me your opinion on something. I have recently begun to research my husband's Grandfather's time in the war (he was a 45 Royal Marine Commando Troop E) and while I have at this point figured everything out about D Day I was left puzzled by a newspaper clipping that mentioned his involvement in an operation at a Windmill in Linne and I am wondering if you think the newspaper clipping is related to this operation.

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  2. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    If you search using LInne there are a few threads elsewhere than here, so it might be worth looking at those.
     
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  3. Kelsey Emuss

    Kelsey Emuss New Member

    awesome. Thank you!
     
  4. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Yes, the news paper clipping refers to the action at Riley's Gully: OPERATION BLACKCOCK : 1st Commando Bde (Jan 45)
     
  5. Kelsey Emuss

    Kelsey Emuss New Member

    Yeah I just read through it all last night and pieced it together which would have never been possible if you had not taken the time to write this all out. I may never have figured out the exact details of what happened in that clipping - so thank you!.
     
  6. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

    Pieter

    I was in Brachterbeek recently and had the pleasure of looking through the Vossen Family scrapbook. It was the most remarkable collection of articles and photos collected over 70 years since the end of the war. I was most taken by this photo in it so did a 'then and now' of the House by the Bridge and Riley's Gulley.

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  7. AFPU44

    AFPU44 Member

    This is an excellent thread as I have ben reading the Bryan Samian book 'Comando Men'; and really fleshes out the engagement at Brachterbeek. With regard to 'A' troops advance towards the road junction and Brachterbeek Station would this have been in the A.A. Formation (i.e. single file) as set out in the 'Infantry Training, Part VIII. – Fieldcraft, Battle Drill, Section and Platoon Tactics' or the arrowhead type formation used for cross country advances?
     
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  8. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    AFPU44 - I do not know, but I suggest you ask WW2talk member Richard1976. He is the resident expert.
     
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  9. Chris Hampson

    Chris Hampson New Member

    Fantastic piece of work. Thank you for piecing this together. My Grandfather was the CSM of 4 troop in this action and there have been family stories about the nature of this action with the tank. The story was that it was a Tiger (but weren't all tanks a Tiger?!) and I also found the war diary relating to the Panzer 4. Your thoughts on them being STUGs are very interesting. I guess if you are being shot at you are not standing there trying to recognise the serial number to say the least! My father seems to remember a newspaper article of this incident mentioning my Grandfather but unfortunately the Wigan Observer does not have the WW2 period digitised at this point. If you have any additional information or anything else you can shed light on I would be very interested and appreciative. Thanks again and a great article.
     
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  10. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Quite right, another case of Tiger 'mania;', AFAIK no Tigers were involved in this action.

    For additional info I suggest you to contact WW2talk member Richard1976, who is the resident expert.
     
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  11. Jill Tate

    Jill Tate Active Member

    I've just started work on this Scissors bridge.
    Jan 24th 1200hrs "Scissors bridge laid 733851" (War Diary 4 field Squadron.) for the support tanks to Commando brigade. I've marked it on my map with an orange dot. Is this the Linnermolen bridge near the windmill which is now marked with the Eric Harden Plaque. You can see the tramway on my map but all the roads seem to have changed on the google map of today.
    Thanks for your help
    Jill
     

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  12. Jill Tate

    Jill Tate Active Member

    Thank you for all this information again.

    Just to add a little bit of detail on the bridge.

    The War Diary of 4 Field squadron reports that the Scissors bridge (laid by 7 Bridging troop 143 Field Park Squadron u/comm 4 Field Squadron) was laid at 1200hrs, but reading the reports here, I think this has been mixed up with the one laid at 746821 and is an error in the War Diary. As I believe 1700 is the correct time for it being laid.

    It then appears the tanks of 8 Hussars damaged the bridge when passing over at 1800 hrs and at 2200 the Scissors bridge was replaced by a Churchill Assault bridge called "Jumbo". This was laid by 222 Assault Squadron, part of 79th Armoured Division (listed as extra troops in the report on Operation Blackcock) again under the command of 4 Field Squadron.

    I'm not sure how the bridge-layer itself was damaged beyond light repair in the operation unless it was hit with a shell?
     

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  13. Chris C

    Chris C Canadian

    Hi Jill,

    I asked about Jumbos here and there are some pictures.

    "Jumbo" bridge (layer)

    I suppose damage means actually damaged by enemy fire. I can't remember what BLR means exactly but I think it had to be transported further back from the front.
     
  14. Jill Tate

    Jill Tate Active Member

    Yes thanks for that. There is a picture of one of those in North Brabant, in Operation Pheasant (I forget the town but we visited the site), attached.

    I believe BLR means "beyond light repair" so needs to be taken back to the workshop
    Yes I am guessing the tank itself must have been hit by something?
     

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  15. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Bump ... a bit belated ;), but the 1st Commando Bde action during Operation Blackcock took place 81 years ago, it was completed by the end of January 1945.
     
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