Hi just started on hear trying to find out as much as posible about my father in ww1 and ww2 he was in the 18 london regiment in 1914 1918 as a 15 yo he lied to get in the forces his no was 602510 recived two medals. I found out he was allso in the Royal Artillery and completed 26 years in the forces dont no if he had the same regiment no or a different one. He was staioned in Grange Town Sunderland with Big Bertha trying to fine any imfo or help pic ect. P OLiver ex Coldstream Guards. Olly for short. Merry christmas to all.
2 results searching for Oliver & 602510 in Medal Index Card list. tad confusing as many different numbers & regiments also listed The National Archives | Search results:602510 Oliver Reference:WO 372/15/56678 Description: Medal card of Oliver, Louis J London Regiment 602510 Private Royal Scots 70811 Private Reference:WO 372/15/56633 Description: Medal card of Oliver, L London Regiment 45681 Private King's Royal Rifle Corps41909 Private Royal Irish Rifles 45681 Private London Regiment 602510 Private Royal Scots 61942 Private
Olly, Here are the two Medal index cards that Owen found, if they are your father's then there is an unusual amount of information on them. It is rare to see an address on the cards for Other Ranks and there are other pieces of info which will need further investigation. Hope this gets you started. Steve
Hi! I'm a relative of the Louis in those records. Forgive my ignorance, but can someone explain what those attached records mean & why they are unusual? Many thanks.
Hello Joli, These cards are records for the medal entitlement of soldiers from WW1. The cards show the military units that the soldier in question served with during the war and the army service numbers issued alongside. Louis was awarded the British War medal and the Victory medal for his service in WW1. These were two of the standard medals given out for those who fought during WW1. However, for some reason, stated on the second card as misconduct, his medals were forfeited and were not issued to him. This all took place in late 1921 from administration offices in Hamilton, Scotland.
Thanks for the reply! Yes it says his medals were forfeited in 1921. He requested the medals in 1927 & they were given to him. His son has them now. My question is, why they forfeited and why they were finally given? I can't find anything on his attestation paper (except that he was discharged under para 497 vii KR in 1933. Tia.
Unfortunately you will probably never know as it seems his service records have not made it through WW2, i.e they are part of the burnt records from a WW2 bombing incident during the London Blitz. Perhaps if you can ascertain which Regiment he was in at around that time then perhaps the Regimental Museum may have disciplinary records for that period. TD
Hi, As your query is in relation to WW1 medals/service you may find some more information if you post on Great War Forum via this link Great War Forum Members there may be able to interpret the KR query. BTW Where did you find his attestation paper(s)? Steve Y
As Owen said, very confusing with so many service numbers and regiments in WW1. His WW2 service adds to the confusion. His Royal Artillery attestation was on 25 Oct 1921, service number 1422036, his name was originally written as Lewis Jason OLLIVER. He re-enlisted 25 May 1937. At some time his name was altered to Louis Jason OLIVER. Regiment shown as 64AA. (Note: His GRO birth registration is under the name of Lewis Jason) His marriage is stated as 5 Sept 1922 to Ellen D Arckless, but the GRO register gives his name as Leslie Oliver. On 24 Oct 1933 he was discharged Para 497 (vii) KR. On 27 June 1945 he was discharged Para 390 (xvi) KR. Likely that they had 5 children in 1925, 1927, 1928, 1929, and 1938.
Now you can see why I find him so interesting He seems to have used two names - three if you include the different spellings of Lewis/Louis. He was known as Louis to my relatives. I'm wondering if the misconduct had something to do with the name changes? Is the number of regiments unusual then?
I'm trying to fined information about my father, the army records that I received from Scotland had other regiment numbers on, I new he had two I thought London riffles 602510 Royal Scots 61942 they came up with 1422036 I thought this was putting the two numbers together for 1 record but this number was for the Royal Artillery from 1922 to 1943/4 there are other numbers that I found on his records but have no idea what they are so any help would be much appreciated , other numbers are 45681 RIr. RIF 41909 K.R.R.C. This beats me. found he was married in the 1920s new to me he married my mother in 1944 cant find any divorced. My father pass away in 1964 at the time I was only 11 so I never new him well so help would be gratefully appreciated. Peter Oliver olly4577
Hi Peter and welcome. Could you post his service records up here if it is not too personal please? Members will be able to decipher them I am sure for you. If he married in 1944, chances his service number will be on the marriage certificate if you get a copy from the General Register Office. Have you any photos at all you can post? Lesley
Peter, The other service numbers relate to your father's service during World War One. Thses are his medal cards : Medal card of Oliver, L Corps: London Regiment Regiment No: 45681 Rank: ... | The National Archives Medal card of Oliver, Louis J Corps: London Regiment Regiment No: 602510 ... | The National Archives Your father renlisted in the Royal Artillery on 25th October 1921 and was issued with his new service number 1422036. Guy