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Discussion in 'Others' started by jjhennings, May 6, 2005.

  1. jjhennings

    jjhennings Junior Member

    I was just wondering why so many countries had losses for both the Allies and Axis. Does this literally mean that they could have been firing on their own countryman? Did Germany force men to serve in their army?
     
  2. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    Originally posted by jjhennings@May 5 2005, 11:44 PM
    I was just wondering why so many countries had losses for both the Allies and Axis. Does this literally mean that they could have been firing on their own countryman? Did Germany force men to serve in their army?
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    First, Welcome aboard and do tell us about yourself! :) As to your question, several nations found themselves on both sides. France, as we know, fought against the Germans in 1939-1940, then against the British in 1940-1942, then against the Germans again from 1943-1945. Italy also switched sides, and Hitler set up a pro-Axis puppet government in the portion of Italy they occupied. So Italians died fighting each other. Rumania, Finland, and Bulgaria also switched sides, in all three cases after being defeated by the Soviets. The Germans, short on manpower, recruited or drafted men from occupied nations. Hordes of Russian and Polish POWs fought for the Germans to avoid starvation in POW camps. Many Russian ethnics were formed into outfits like the 16th Cossack Cavalry Corps, which fought in Yugoslavia against Tito's partisans. Yugoslavia itself was the scene of bloody civil wars. The Germans set up puppet governments in Serbia and Croatia, and the Croatian Ustaschi militia proved very effective at butchering civilians, but less so at fighting partisans. The Germans also created SS and Wehrmacht regiments and divisions from quislings among their conquered populations. This led to the SS Nordland Division, for example, the 638th French Regiment, and the Croatian Regiment (whupped at Stalingrad). The SS created numbers of such ethnic divisions, the Nederland Division, the Charlemagne (French) Division, two Russian divisions, three Muslim divisions from Yugoslavia, and a Swedish Pomeranian Brigade. There was also a Free Indian Legion (which Hitler derided) and the ultimate propaganda exercise, the Britisches Freikorps, which consisted of about 50 men all told, all renegades and traitors. They were used mostly for propaganda broadcasts and appearances, but one, John Leslie Cornford, won a Knight's Cross for destroying Soviet tanks in the defense of Berlin. Many of these renegades and Quislings from all countries were among the last defenders of Berlin. They had no choice: if the Soviets caught them, they'd be dead. If the Western Allies caught them, they'd be tried for treason in their home countries, and then be dead. So they chose to die fighting in a hopeless cause. It's ironic that Hitler's last defenders in 1945 were not Germans. There's a parallel to today: the loudest neo-Nazis are Americans like Gerhard Lauck, Canadians like Ernst Zundel, and Britons like David Irving.
     
  3. Herakles

    Herakles Senior Member

    "France, as we know, fought against the Germans in 1939-1940, then against the British in 1940-1942, then against the Germans again from 1943-1945."

    They also fought against the Australians in Syria. The Australians were ordered into battle wearing their slouch hats to help remind the French of what they did for them in WW1.

    Then there was the policy of the Japs to force all POW's to work for them.
     
  4. salepiperski

    salepiperski Junior Member

    I was just wondering why so many countries had losses for both the Allies and Axis. Does this literally mean that they could have been firing on their own countryman? Did Germany force men to serve in their army?
    Yes
    Russian liberation army G.Vlasov
    I NEED INFO ABOUT YUGOSLAV WAR PRISONERS IN STALAG II D POMERANIA GRANDFATHER OF MY FRIEND WAS THERE JUST TODAY WATCHED ALL DOCUMENTS AND OLD LETTERS ALSO NOTES ABOUT FOOTBALL MATCHES WITH FRENCH,DUTCH AND OTHER PRISONERS
    IF ANY ONE KNOWS ANY THING.
     
  5. salepiperski

    salepiperski Junior Member

    German prisoners of war fought against german forces in yugoslavia in detachment german partisans with titos partisans.number where imprisoned pow some deserted form german army.
     

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