Markings and Insignia for Armour in the BEF

Discussion in '1940' started by LondonNik, Jan 3, 2011.

  1. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Photo of HMH 843 looks to be inside. Whats the box on the back for, tools ?
    Keith
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  2. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    Photo of HMH 843 looks to be inside. Whats the box on the back for, tools ?
    Keith

    Keith

    It's not a box - see this picture from Bovington. Looks like wooden blocks for the jack but one of the armour experts will know.

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=63642&stc=1&d=1317312631

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  3. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Thanks Andrew, could not tell as photo is in B&W.
    Keith
     
  4. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

  5. Alex Scott

    Alex Scott Junior Member

    Yes, it's a jack but not hydraulic. They have a series of screw drive tubes inside and you wind them up.......and yes, it's very, very hard work!
     
  6. idler

    idler GeneralList

    From Hutchinson's Pictorial History of the War published 9th April 1940:

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    1 Lothian & Border Yeomanry:

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  7. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    Apologies if its come up before like these ebay pics do , but heres some carriers and tanks captioned Dunkerqe 1940 but obviously not . A more westerly port maybe ? (if it is a port.) st.Valery ? The division markings and german caption may give clues to the more enlightened :)
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  8. rewdco

    rewdco Senior Member

    A 51st Div carrier called Judy:

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    Jan
     
  9. sol

    sol Very Senior Member

    Apologies if its come up before like these ebay pics do , but heres some carriers and tanks captioned Dunkerqe 1940 but obviously not . A more westerly port maybe ? (if it is a port.) st.Valery ? The division markings and german caption may give clues to the more enlightened :smile:
    Craig

    On the left could be a Vickers Mk.VI tank of 5th RTR, 1st Armoured Division.
     
  10. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    A 51st Div carrier called Judy:

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    Jan

    The carrier is from 5th Battalion Gordon Highlanders. Has the driver put on a battle bowler or have they conscripted a prisoner to drive ?
     
  11. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

    On the left could be a Vickers Mk.VI tank of 5th RTR, 1st Armoured Division.

    Wonder where they were in June 1940?
    Craig
     
  12. jhunt

    jhunt Junior Member

    On the left could be a Vickers Mk.VI tank of 5th RTR, 1st Armoured Division.

    Hi this is my first post. The MkVIb on the left is from 5RTR, however the really interesting thing is the MkVI on the right behind the carrier. This is from HQ 1st Armoured Divison (identified by the Rhino marking on the side of the turret) and appears to carry the name "BASHFUL". It seems that the eight tanks of HQ 1st Armoured Division in Fance 1940 carried the names of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Eaxmples are "HAPPY" an A10 Cruiser Tank, "DOC" A10 Cruiser Tank T5915, "SNEEZY" A10 Cruiser Tank T9193 and "SLEEPY" MkVIb. I believe that "SNOW WHITE" was probably an A10 Cruiser tank (based on the Military Modelling articles by Peter Brown on the A10) and that the headquarters consisted of 4 A10 and 4 MkVIb. This would mean that "GRUMPY" and "DOPEY" were probably MkIVB light tanks?? If anyone has any other or contrary info I would love to hear about it.
     
  13. May1940

    May1940 Senior Member

    Hi this is my first post. The MkVIb on the left is from 5RTR, however the really interesting thing is the MkVI on the right behind the carrier. This is from HQ 1st Armoured Divison (identified by the Rhino marking on the side of the turret) and appears to carry the name "BASHFUL". It seems that the eight tanks of HQ 1st Armoured Division in Fance 1940 carried the names of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. Eaxmples are "HAPPY" an A10 Cruiser Tank, "DOC" A10 Cruiser Tank T5915, "SNEEZY" A10 Cruiser Tank T9193 and "SLEEPY" MkVIb. I believe that "SNOW WHITE" was probably an A10 Cruiser tank (based on the Military Modelling articles by Peter Brown on the A10) and that the headquarters consisted of 4 A10 and 4 MkVIb. This would mean that "GRUMPY" and "DOPEY" were probably MkIVB light tanks?? If anyone has any other or contrary info I would love to hear about it.

    Very good information. I didn't realise the rhino on the turret signified HQ 1st Armoured. I guess this previous eBay post must be DOC.

    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=64517&stc=1&d=1318187331

    Andrew
     

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  14. jhunt

    jhunt Junior Member

    Thats DOC, the name is on the lower front side of the Turret.

    On better versions of this Photo you can see a small "1" painted on what should be a black square on the near side top of the upper glacis, the mobilisation number 0020 would be paited above the stripes on the far side of the glasis
     
  15. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

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  16. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    There has been a flurry of 1st Armoured photos on ebay of late.

    9th Lancers.

    I assume from the plate damage that this was disabled by the crew ?

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    Is this the '10' of 5 RTR ? It looks more like '13'

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    3 RTR

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  17. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Any takers for the hilly location ? it looks quite distinctive , and appears to be a port to me.
    Craig

    Most of 5 RTR left from Cherbourg. I think that it could well be there although I can't find a matching view.

    What do you think of the buildings to the right-hand side here ?

    .......... 015

    Just a thought Craig but you might like to try deciphering Sütterlin script...

    German language, alphabets and pronunciation

    I think that the last word is 'Brest' but I can't match the image.
     
  18. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    An interesting Vickers here with an almost readable name.."Dougal Gl..." ?

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  19. jhunt

    jhunt Junior Member

    I think that the name is DOUGAL GRATUR and the vehicle is from the Lothian and Border Yoemanry

    Also the A9 from 9th Lancers is T7235, other photos show a large penetration in the opposite side of the turret so I think that it is likely that the damage is a result of that.
     

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  20. JCB

    JCB Senior Member

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    Expanding my knowledge here Rich .German hard enough for me without coded script. I thought first word may be Englische and looks as though it is, could second be tanks ?
    My linguistic capabilities are summed up by CSE grade 4 in French , most English people can't understand my English Yorshire/ Durham ( I live on the border!) accent.:)
     

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