1. Paulagain

    Paulagain Member

    Hi

    I'd be grateful for any help with this. I've been look at some old SHAEF DDay maps, but couldn't work out what these 'seagull shaped icons' were. Frustratingly they weren't in the map legend. I hope someone can sold the mystery. Thanks! Paul
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  2. S Hayward

    S Hayward Well-Known Member

    Hi Paulagain,

    I think they are isolated dugouts, I have never confirmed this, but the relevant part of the symbol matches the dug-out shelter with trench so until otherwise informed I have assumed they are dug-outs or shelters of some kind but not associated with any visible trenches.

    BR,
    SH
     
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  3. Temujin

    Temujin Member

    https://www.ww2talk.com/index.php?attachments/map-symbols-1941-jpg.198996/

    Or put this info google search, and under images it will bring up a lot of pages from the 1943 Field Service Pocket book and has some older pages and newer pages

    1943 Field Service Pocket Book on map symbols

    The only thing I spotted with a symbol like a “bird” represents gliders. But the symbol on your map seems to be a small “rectangle” with “bird like wings” on the top corners.

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  4. Paulagain

    Paulagain Member

    Hi SH
    Thanks for getting back to me. That makes sense. Odd that there were loads of them and it wasn't mentioned in the legend....
    all the best
    Paul
     
  5. Paulagain

    Paulagain Member

    Thanks Temujin,
    Unless I'm going mad its not on that legend either :(
    cheers
    Paul
     
  6. Paulagain

    Paulagain Member

    That Field Service pocket book looks very helpful....
     
  7. I concur. See the Martian Defence Legend via the link at the end of this post:
    Symbols of different types of German anti-aircraft guns

    Michel
     
  8. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    Legend from early 1945, unlikely to have changed.
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  9. Unfortunately the forum software now automatically reduces images to 1024x1024 maximum, so your map has become illegible. Can you crop it to show the relevant part only?
    Thanks,
    Michel
     
  10. Paulagain

    Paulagain Member

    Hi Michel.
    Here is a cropped version of one of them. Thanks for your help. Paul upload_2025-6-22_9-21-28.png
     
  11. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    Defence Overprint Legend c. March 1945
    4 segments

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    Continue to think that the dugout symbol (in the first image in this set) is unlikely to have changed from Normandy, but do note the section on symbology for reprisal weapons (fourth image) may indicate a legend that was evolving.
     

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  12. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

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  13. Paulagain

    Paulagain Member

    Thanks Richard
     
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