Looking for details of formal exchange of prisoners with Italy pre-September 1943

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  1. cjd_101

    cjd_101 Junior Member

    Hi,
    Is anyone able to point me towards a source that details the formal exchange of prisoners with Italy pre-September 1943? Were they bilateral agreements or something bigger and how often were they held?
    Many Thanks,
    Col
     
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  2. dbf

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  3. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    I searched online with "exchange of prisoners" site:ww2talk.com and had four threads id'd - none appear to concern Italy though.

    Changed it to POW and that id'd this thread: Did any POW's get released early? On pg.2 & 3 there are posts about an exchange in late 1943 on the Italian front.
     
  4. cjd_101

    cjd_101 Junior Member

    Thank you and apologies!!
     
  5. cjd_101

    cjd_101 Junior Member

    From further searches, it seems that the first PoW exchange with the Italians took place in Smyrna on 8 April 1942 when 340 Italian POWs were exchanged for 60 British and Dominion troops. A second exchange took place on 19 April 1943 with 409 Italians exchanged for 450 British and Dominion troops in Lisbon and another 211 for 350 in Smyrna. The third exchange was again in Smyrna when 2,411 Italians were exchanged for 400 British and Dominion troops and Protected Personnel in May 1943. The last exchange with the Italians also took place in Smyrna and saw 2,676 Italian troops and Protected Personnel exchanged for 435 British and Dominion troops and Protected Personnel. Arrangements were well in-hand for a fifth exchange in September 1943 but the Italian Armistice saw the hopes of those chosen prisoners dashed amidst the last-minute re-routing of trains and ships! The first exchange with the Germans took place the following month on 27 October 1943.
    Hope this helps future searchers!
    Regards,
    Col
     
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  6. GeoffMNZ

    GeoffMNZ Well-Known Member

    Some time ago I posted
     
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  7. cjd_101

    cjd_101 Junior Member

    Thanks for this Geoff - much appreciated.
     
  8. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    I did try a search here for repatriation, too many responses and on quick look of the first twenty very few appeared to concern POWs.
     
  9. hutt

    hutt Member

    For interest, see diary page from WO1771385 - 104 General Hospital from Sep 43 mentioning 'Protected Personnel'. Although location is stated as 'in the Field' pages for July suggest El Arrouch Philippeville

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  10. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Hutt,

    Your post is interesting. Hostilities in North Africa ceased 13th May 1943 and four months later 'battle casualties' still arriving. Presumably they could not be moved from the forward hospitals till mid to late September. The use of a hospital ship too. Would that be used for repatriation?
     
  11. Tullybrone

    Tullybrone Senior Member

    I expect any “battle” casualties Sept 1943 would be personnel evacuated to North Africa from the ongoing fighting in Italy?
     
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  12. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Tullybrone,

    That is what happens with a befuddled mind!
     
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  13. papiermache

    papiermache Well-Known Member

    Chapter VII of Col. H.J. Phillimore's "Prisoners of War" - {WO 366/26} - deals with exchanges. It all got rather heated in October 1941: ( some CAB files have items on later exchanges ):

    PRISONERS OF WAR (EXCHANGE NEGOTIATIONS). (Hansard, 7 October 1941)

    Two files free to download from TNA:

    FO 954/10B/280
    FO 954/10B/282

    Good hunting, John.

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    Last edited: Apr 27, 2024
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  14. hutt

    hutt Member

    I'll post some more pages later today. Tullybrone replied before me and is of course correct, they are evacuations from (at this time) Siclly.
     
  15. cjd_101

    cjd_101 Junior Member

    Fascinating stuff!! Thank you for sharing here!!
     
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