Ldg Cook Horace Webster Lowestoft Naval Memorial Grave Found

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  1. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Leading Cook
    WEBSTER, HORACE KNOWLES
    Service Number LT/MX 88016

    Died 19/08/1942

    Aged 42

    H.M. Drifter Golden Sunbeam.
    Royal Naval Patrol Service

    Son of Charles MacHardy Webster and Mary Sim Webster, of Aberdeen; husband of Jane Morrison Craig Webster, of Aberdeen.

    Hawkinge Cemetery, Kent.
     
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    timuk Well-Known Member

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  3. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
    Name: Horace Knowles Webster
    Event: Death
    Birth Date: 25 Aug 1900
    Birth Place: Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
    Death Date: 19 Aug 1942
    Death Age: 41
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    TD
     
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  4. Susan J W Shirron

    Susan J W Shirron New Member

    Hi on watching long lost family tonight on STV I thought I would look for where my Grandfather's memorial was I came across this Tread
    This is My Grandfather Horace Knowles Webster lost but never forgotten x
     
  5. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Hello Susan,

    at present Horace is still commemorated on the Lowestoft Naval Memorial. Details of this memorial here

    Cemetery

    However following research by myself & the team at In From The Cold Project we found that his body had been washed ashore on the Kent coast following the sinking of his vessel. At present his case is under investigation by CWGC & if as I hope that the case is proven his commemoration will be moved to Hawkinge Cemetery. I cannot say if he has a headstone at present.

    Cheers

    Chris
     
  6. chrisharley9

    chrisharley9 Senior Member

    Just reviewed this case as it is some time since I looked at it. He has a CWGC non war casualty headstone with his grave being in the service plot at Hawkinge. This situation came about as he was misidentified as a member of the Merchant Navy. As & when CWGC accept my findings he should receive a headstone identifying him as member of the Royal Navy Patrol Service. His name then should be removed from the Lowestoft Naval Memorial when the relevant panel is replaced.
     
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  7. Susan J W Shirron

    Susan J W Shirron New Member

    Thank you so much for your reply I’m so surprised to hear this information this is amazing I would be so glad to here if there is any more info I lost my mum 3 years ago she would have been astonished to here this info

    Look forward to hearing from you
    This means the world to me x
     
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    Tony56 Member Patron

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  9. Susan J W Shirron

    Susan J W Shirron New Member

    Hello Its quite a while since I had a look on this system just wandered if there was any update on the above message
    Susan
     
  10. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Hello Susan
    Sadly Chris passed away a few months ago.
    He is now under the correct service: Royal Naval Patrol Service and on CWGC
    However the name will be changed in the near future once the details have been confirmed by CWGC
    Keep checking CWGC


    LEADING COOK HORACE KNOWLES WEBSTER
    Service Number: LT/MX 88016
    Regiment & Unit/Ship

    Royal Naval Patrol Service

    H.M. Drifter Golden Sunbeam.

    Date of Death
    Died 19 August 1942

    Age 42 years old

    Buried or commemorated at
    LOWESTOFT NAVAL MEMORIAL

    Panel 10. Column 2.

    United Kingdom


    • Country of ServiceUnited Kingdom
    • Additional InfoSon of Charles MacHardy Webster and Mary Sim Webster, of Aberdeen; husband of Jane Morrison Craig Webster, of Aberdeen.
    Download certificate
    FROM THE CWGC ARCHIVES
     
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  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    For info


    There is a non war headstone for him at Hawkinge with 2/9/42.

    He was a Cook in the Merchant Navy. All records have name as H K Webster. Cemetery records state he was a Casualty of War. Died with 4 others on 19 Aug 1942 off Dover, when their ship HMS Golden Sunbeam was involved in a collision and sunk. His body was found at Folkestone on 2 Sep 1942. The ship, which was a Steam Drifter, was hired by the Admiralty as a flare vessel in 1939.
    H K Webster (unknown-1942) - Find a Grave...
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  12. Hugh MacLean

    Hugh MacLean Senior Member

    Horace Knowles Webster was enrolled into the Royal Naval Reserve on 18 October 1917 as Boy, Cook, later Trimmer, Cook on service number TC 1233.
    Service record - BT 377/7/109756
    He served aboard the following hired trawlers in 1918:
    H.T. NULLI SECUNDUS
    H.T. GLORIA II
    H.T. WALLINGTON
    He also has another record under service number SBC 1433 but it is only a reference to his service TC 1233.
    He was awarded the British War Medal and Victory Medal.

    Seems he was issued with service number LT/MX 88016 on joining RN 17.1.1940.

    Royal Naval Reservists were recruited from merchant seamen and fishermen so it is likely he served aboard MN ships prior to WW2.

    Regards
    Hugh
     
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