LCT 864 on D-Day and beyond...

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  1. J Chaplain

    J Chaplain New Member

    I've recently been looking in to my Grandfather's service record, who served as a signaller aboard LCT 864 in the British Navy from 1943 until the end of the war. He died ten years before I was born without leaving any account of his time during the war, so I haven't really had an awful lot to go on, besides general family knowledge that he had been at D-Day.

    I've been trying to dig around a bit, but have found it difficult to come across particular information about a specific LCT - I've not even been able to work out which flotilla it would have been a part of during Operation Neptune, as I was hoping to work out which beach he was likely to have landed on etc.

    Beyond D-Day, it also states in his records that my Grandfather was Mentioned in Despatches on the 6th February 1945 - it is now unlikely I'll ever know precisely what action merited that, but I've been trying to work out a general idea of where he might have been at the time. The date makes me think it'd be something to do with the push through the low countries, but I can't be sure.

    As such, my research has hit a bit of a dead-end: I was wondering if anyone might have access to any information that would help me along, or knew of any sources (that I'm clearly missing!) that I could use to try and place LCT 864 both regarding Operation Neptune itself and then on through to the conclusion of the war.

    Many thanks in advance for any help or guidance you might be able to offer.
     
  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    One thing you really need to do (if you havent already) is to obtain his service records and they are only available from the MOD - the forms you need are here Request records of deceased service personnel these will provide you with the basic skeleton to which you can add details but will stop you going off down blind alleys

    Brief and basic info - HMS LCT 864 (LCT 864) of the Royal Navy - British Landing Craft Tank of the LCT (Mk 4) class - Allied Warships of WWII - uboat.net

    TD

    Possibly involved in Operation Infatuate, Walcheren - 1 to 8 November 1944

    Till, Dennis (Oral history)
    1945-1946: appointment to LCT 864;
     
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  3. From what I have, LCT(4) 864 carried Landing Table Index Number (LTIN, aka Serial) 366 in SWORD Area for Operation NEPTUNE (Temporary Sub-Lieutenant Stephen CURRAN, RNVR, seniority 19.3.43, in command), part of 39 LCT Flotilla (Flotilla Officer: Temporary Acting Lieutenant Commander Charles Alexander SPILSBURY, RNVR, seniority 13.2.42 (as Lieutenant)), and LTIN 25 at Westkapelle for Operation INFATUATE II, still with the same skipper but this time a full Temporary Lieutenant RNVR with seniority 1.10.44, and part of 47 LCT Flotilla (FO Tempy Act Lt Cdr Basil COOKE, RNVR, seniority 21.11.42 (as Lt)).

    See the relevant Landing Tables for loads:
    Sword Beach.
    Updated Resource - Operation Infatuate Landing Table and Beaching Diagram V2

    Michel
     
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  4. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    My father’s gun troop, F/92nd LAA, sailed from Stokes Bay, Gosport, to Normandy for the D-Day invasion in two LCTs, which had been given the fleet numbers 405 and 408. Both LCTs landed on Queen Red, Sword Beach, around 2.30pm on June 6.

    I understand that the fleet numbers were designated just for the invasion and I now know that 405 was in fact LCT 627. But I have not been able to find the ‘identity’ of 408. I wonder if there is any way of finding out?
     
  5. Hello Tom,

    LTIN 408 was LCT 1003 (Tempy Sub-Lt Donald Albert FULLER, RNVR, 1.7.43) of 47 Flotilla.

    Michel

    N.B. Fleet numbers, LTINs and Serials are generally different numbers, but that is another story...
     
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  6. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    Thanks, Michel, that's brilliant. Can you tell me what LTIN means and whether there's any further source of information on LCT 1003? Were the fleet numbers just allotted in numerical order to whatever LCT happened to be in the flotilla, or was it more methodical than that?
     
  7. Re: LTIN, see the first sentence in my post #3 above ;)

    Regrettably, I have nothing more on LCT 1003, not even a photo.

    Fleet numbers were used for the positions of craft within a Convoy. The term was sometimes used by the military in their reports or recollections instead of the correct one, LTIN or Serial.

    LTINs represent craft loads, and Serials are code numbers for individual ships or craft. For Op NEPTUNE, the Eastern Task Force used LTINs as Craft Serials, so both terms are equivalent.

    Allocation of LTINs/Serials to hull numbers was done at Flotilla or maybe Squadron level, but unfortunately not using any systematic method, so that each Serial (or LTIN) / Hull number match has to be worked out, when at all possible, via photos, reports, documents etc., the major difficulty being that the Navy cared only about the hull number while the Army knew only the Serial, and either service seldom referred to the other's number in their reports. There are many examples on this forum of the laborious process involved in finding these matches.

    Luckily, the planned ship/craft Serial allocation table exists for the major craft of Force J, but not for Force S or Force G (or if they do, I'd love to see them!).

    Michel
     
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  8. tmac

    tmac Senior Member

    Thanks again, Michel - that's very helpful. I was lucky enough many years ago to find a lot of info about LCT 627 (serial 405), but never even knew LCT 408's proper name (LCT 1003) until now. My father was aboard this LCT.
     

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