KSLI D-day 6/7 June 1944 is there a complete list of killed/died/missing

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  1. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Don't go, if you have questions feel free to ask and if people can help they will - sorry if you have taken my posts as attacks that is not how they are meant, but I did find the other thread muddled and this one was a question that Diane answered but you didn't seem to like the answer so set out looking for errors - if there is something that makes you think the list Diane gave isn't correct then it may help if you explained why it seems incomplete.
     
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  2. HarryClarke

    HarryClarke Active Member

    PS ... an accepted technique to see if something is correct is to misquote it, and see what comes back. Perhaps you're not familiar with this strategy, TomOBrien.
     
  3. HarryClarke

    HarryClarke Active Member

    AB64, I like - LOVE - every helpful piece of information that's offered to me, and I am sincerely grateful to everyone who helps, as you can clearly see. We had a huge success a few days ago.
    I've had some private messages from a very nice member who's told me that other people have been 'chased' off this site by horrible comments and unpleasantness. I'm not here for a fight, although it looks as if some people are. I'm here to politely ask questions, so I can gain understanding.
    I'm female. Genuine. Nice. It's not fair or right of any member to be sarcastic or accuse me of criticising the army. I am not any kind of target. I'm not willing to go any further with this, I'm really sorry.
     
  4. Tom OBrien

    Tom OBrien Senior Member

    I don't understand what you mean. I'm just asking what you are trying to find out so that I can help you with further research.

    Yours frustrated and now astonished myself,

    Tom
     
  5. Tom OBrien

    Tom OBrien Senior Member

    Oh, I see. You were playing a game with me. I don't recall being taught that as a historical technique, could you tell me in what line of research that is taught?

    Regards

    Tom
     
  6. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I'm sure most (if not all) members on here would happily criticise things about the Army, on the whole it did a great and worthy job but a lot of elements at different stages and in many different ways warrant it, but it did have a lot of bureaucracy and paperwork (the individuals paperwork is my main interest) and from what I've seen that side of it seems well run. So criticism isn't a problem, but it should be proportionate . The CWGC is also a large professional body whose primary aim is to ensure those who died are commemorated somewhere, non-commemorations do exist but aren't common and becoming fewer with the hard work of researchers.
     
  7. HarryClarke

    HarryClarke Active Member

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    Tom OBrien, I don't play games nor seek to injure anyone. I'm honest and straightforward. But I was being given a rough time on here, and if I'd said something like "Tom, are you totally sure that everyone was off that boat before it got hit", you might have laid into me for doubting your expert knowledge. I didn't want any more attacks. So I chose to make MYSELF look foolish (by writing something wrong) and letting you correct me and reinforce your own comments.

    It's taught on many research programmes and is a very common questioning technique especially in Law Enforcement.

    I've no idea how to proceed from here or if it's even possible. I asked a simple question about KSLI records and it's tragically turned into one terrible mess, not caused by me.

    Harry
     
  8. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Hi Harry,

    its news to me that other people have been (`chased' off) this site by horrible comments and unpleasantness.Who is being sarcastic on this thread? Looks as if they are trying to help you out if you ask me? For what its worth, Tom OBrien, & myself have exchanged much info over the years.

    It takes some doing for Tom, to get frustrated & to be astonished!

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
  9. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member

    I’m blunter than other people , as Alastair well knows . You seem to have a bizarre agenda, I’m not sure what . This is a bloody brilliant
    Forum , the best on the net in my opinion , but you really do come across as trying to prove you’re much cleverer than the cwgc and the army and that you already have details tucked away and are trying to show how you then “ tease “ them out . That’s the way you’ve come across to me.
    The breadth of knowledge inherent on here is awesome . But ergo the people with that knowledge are not fools .

    If the KSLI did punt half a dozen corpses over the side of an LCA on its way back to a ship to load up the next wave ,which I very much doubt would have happened, they’d be noted down and 99999999.9999999999.999999999 percent chance they’d be on the bayeux memorial
     
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  10. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Indeed I do well know your blunt mate (or something that sounds very similar)
     
  11. HarryClarke

    HarryClarke Active Member

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    AB64, even if I were being critical (which I'm not), it wouldn't be directed at "the army", can we please get that established - my sole point is that man-made records are shaky, unreliable. Navy records too. Genealogical records. Police records. NHS records. They're all produced by humans, sometimes in very difficult circumstances. Bits of them are wrong.

    I have a Forces puzzle to solve. Last time I came on here (my very first time) I got shot at from various quarters, told my search was impossible, told that my details were too fuzzy to be of any use, etc. Wild goose chase. Go away Harry, you're making it alI up. I understand that my question came close to being removed, banned. All of these comments were proved to be unfounded, but they hurt me. So this time I am being VERY cautious and am working in tiny steps. Please allow me to do this, without any hassle.

    Harry
     
  12. HarryClarke

    HarryClarke Active Member


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    JonHeyworth, I am clever, that's a fact. I don't need to prove it. Maybe you don't like clever women. But I am not "being clever", I am simply posting questions on a worldwide forum and asking for help.
    I will go back and find the comment about the 'burials at sea'. I believe it was an official report, I'm not imagining it or making it up. I saw it on here. I will find it and we can all then discuss it and see what might have happened.
    Harry
     
  13. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    By whom ?

    Who suggested that because I don't recall any of us Mods/Admin suggesting that ?
     
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  14. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I'm not sure why but you do seem to like playing the victim on here - yes the army made mistakes, with all the effort that went into compiling the records, checking them and the follow up on them there are relatively few mistakes - if you cant find the answer you want you immediately jump to the conclusion the records are incomplete - with the level of accuracy it should be well down the list of probabilities.

    I'd ask the same question as Owen, how do you know your previous question was nearly removed/banned - only the admins/mods would know if there was such a discussion and in my experience on here a thread has to get really nasty before it gets acted upon and the other thread was just confused and meandering not nasty - the mods tend to leave the forum to its own devices and only step in when really needed (and I mean that in a good way - usually).

    Anyway I should probably bow out, you seem to take offence and react to anything I (and others) say even when it is an attempt to defuse your overreactions.

    Alistair
     
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  15. HarryClarke

    HarryClarke Active Member

    For the sake of completeness: this is what I read, on this forum:

    "We buried the dead at sea. The only weights available were sections of the galley stove which we dismantled and the young matelots, who had been considerably shaken by the day's events, thought it all very callous, not knowing that the landing craft commanders had been expressly forbidden to bring back any bodies back to the UK so as to avoid choking the embarkation ports."

    Eyewitness account from participant in the war (full details on request). I'm not making it up.

    I have to say that it's the first time that I've been told on any forum that looking for the lost and missing is a 'bizarre' agenda.

    Maybe you should keep rather better control of what your members write.

    You're right, I don't belong on here. Adieu.
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  16. jonheyworth

    jonheyworth Senior Member


    I don’t give a tuppeny toss in a snug what one of 96 genders you are ? I thought you were a bloke anyway . You call yourself Harry . My name is Jon heyworth . It’s my real one . Look me up anywhere. Your last thread made me think : “ wtf ??” I was the only one to say that on there . Clearly others are scratching their heads to ? Harry , Harriet or ??
     
  17. Stuart Avery

    Stuart Avery In my wagon & not a muleteer.

    Harry,

    you are really clever. Dig a hole. verb. to continue to make a situation go from bad to worse. Boy, you should just shut your mouth; you're diggin a hole! I've got all day for clever women, but not when you are rubbing my nose in it! I think it might be wise to take a chill-pill? The way this thread is going, then it may well get locked? That's a fact &YOU will not be able to discuss anything then! Lets not spoil it.

    In one week of being a member of the forum you have ended being rather upset. Top marks on that one! I'm just glad that i don't have a PhD has you mentioned in another thread!

    No hard feelings!:D

    Regards,
    Stu.
     
  18. HarryClarke

    HarryClarke Active Member

    JonHeyworth: There's nothing wrong with my name, it's exactly as stated. No attempt to hide, why would I need to? See my driving licence, you're welcome.
     
  19. Tom OBrien

    Tom OBrien Senior Member

    :D
    Your much too kind, but of course you didn’t actually answer any of my questions. I was genuinely trying to help you, but you appear to have another agenda known only to yourself and have a very, very odd way of asking for help.

    Can you tell me which area of research teaches you to pretend to misquote someone, and if you really meant law enforcement do you really think that is an appropriate technique to use in historical research.


    We did all seem to be getting on famously up to a few days ago. :D:D

    Regards

    Tom
     
  20. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    :( :(

    The quote refered too was not associated with the KSLI it comes from
    "The War of the Landing Craft" by Paul Lund and Harry Ludlam, pages 156-157
    [Temporary] Lieutenant Sidney Henry, RNVR, [1.3.43] commanding LCI 300 was leader of a sub-section of the 263rd LCI Flotilla carrying troops of the Norfolk Regiment from Newhaven to SWORD beaches.

    It was indeed from an excellent thread on this Forum which started in 2011

    D Day Landing Craft Markings

    I cannot offer anything to the thread but just thought I should point this out before it goes any further off course.

    Kyle
     
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