Italy October 1944 Argyll and Sutherland Hgrs

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  1. nemesis

    nemesis Senior Member

    I am looking into a DCM won by Sgt WS Taylor 1 A&SH .its an immediate award for his action in attacking a Machine Gun Post at Pt 744 in Italy on the 7th October 1944,the citation says East of Marradi.
    Can anyone advise where Pt744 was in the map ,or what it means ?
    Thanks for reading this
     
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  2. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Do you have a copy of the citation?
     
  3. nemesis

    nemesis Senior Member

    Yes I downloaded it from the Nat Archives
     
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  4. bexley84

    bexley84 Well-Known Member

    From One More River - a possible "The 19th Brigade pushed forward, but bad weather delayed operations until October 7th, when 1st Argvll and Sutherland Highlanders captured Monte Cavallara. Thus the battle for the Apennine passages began...."

    best wishes
     

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  5. nemesis

    nemesis Senior Member

    Very good. That looks like the place. I have been hunting on the British Newspaper Archive in the hope of finding a photo of Sgt Taylor but theres nothing so far.
    Thanks for the input
     
  6. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    From Nelson’s battalion history.
     

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  7. nemesis

    nemesis Senior Member

    Thanks for posting the relevant pages of the battalion history ,and pointing out Sgt Taylors part in the particular action
    Much appreciated
     
  8. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    Monte Cavallara
    44.07298, 11.67124

    Cavallara 1.jpg Cavallara 2.jpg
     
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  9. nemesis

    nemesis Senior Member

    Tony Formidable height. Thanks for posting pictures.
     
  10. Pietro

    Pietro Member

    Hi all,
    This is my first post here. I'm Pietro, 25 years old. I live near Florence on the Gothic Line and I'm doing my master in History at the Alma Mater University in Bologna. I collect WWII documents related to my area. In my research I found your wonderful website.
    I'm researching on this document a Wehrpass of a german soldier:
    Josef Roeck, Grenadier-Regiment 578. He was killed in action «Point 606, 1,5km west from Badia della Valle due an headshot», which is more or less Monte Cavallara area. Do you have major information about this Point? Is there something about this Point 606 on the Bataillon diares?


    Thanks in advance and greetings from Italy,
    Pietro
     

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  11. Pietro

    Pietro Member

    Then, from an US Army map.
    In red the Points which are more or less 606 Meters, along the ridges of Monte Cavallara.
    And Cavallare (a farmhose) which is 604 Meters.

    Thanks again
    Pietro
     

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  12. dryan67

    dryan67 Senior Member

    Do you have the date of death for Josef Roeck?
     
  13. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    The date in the wehrpass says 7th October 1944.

    The wehrpass also says 1.5km north, not west.

    Incidentally there have been a load of original German maps of northern Italy for sale recently.
     
  14. Pietro

    Pietro Member

    Yes, sorry. It was KIA on October 7th 1944.
    I thought it was "west", thanks Gary. It could be Monte Casalino (666 Meters), maybe the clerk made a mistake?
    The US Army Map and the German maps are based on the same italian maps of Istituto Geografico Militare (IGM) of Florence.
    I have several maps of the IGM, unfortunately not from the area of Marradi.
    Greetings from Italy
    Pietro
     
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  15. Gary Tankard

    Gary Tankard Well-Known Member

    What is the scale of the map you have posted? Is it 1:25000, 1:50000?

    I do have most of 1 A&SH WDs but not for this month. Next time I am down in Kew I will get them to see what map is referenced - unless someone already knows.
     
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  16. Pietro

    Pietro Member

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  17. Pietro

    Pietro Member

    Hallo Gary,
    a german speaker read the Wehrpass, it's (for him) nordw., wich is "north-west". So it could be the Cavallara area (not the Cavallara Hill). It has some points between 604-608 meters.
    What do you think? It's more or less 1,5km nw from Badia della Valle.

    Greetings from Italy
    Pietro
     

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