Honey tanks

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by Belville, Sep 2, 2006.

  1. Belville

    Belville Senior Member

    What was a Honey tank? Where can I find a picture of one?

    Belville
     
  2. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    British nickname for:
    M3 or M5 Stuart.
    Whack it into google image.

    Cheers.
    Adam.
     
  3. handtohand22

    handtohand22 Senior Member

    In "Brazen Chariots" the author describes how the US Stewart M3 tank was given that nickname. It was accredited to the first British driver who stepped out of the tank exclaiming "She's a honey!"
    Try this site:
    http://www.trackpads.net/tanks/sosfindlay/usm5s.htm
     
  4. kfz

    kfz Very Senior Member

    look here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M5_Stuart





    In "Brazen Chariots" the author describes how the US Stewart M3 tank was given that nickname. It was accredited to the first British driver who stepped out of the tank exclaiming "She's a honey!"
    Try this site:
    http://www.trackpads.net/tanks/sosfindlay/usm5s.htm



    I thought the name came from service in the Western Desert and was related to its easy to live with nature (they had auto boxes??) and its superb reliability.

    Kev
     
  5. Belville

    Belville Senior Member

    Many thanks, These links have given full information and photographs. I am researching a man who was killed while commanding a troop of Honey tanks on reconnaissance in Germany in April, 1945.
    Belville
     
  6. MikB

    MikB Senior Member

    A friend of my father's told me he'd been in one of these knocked out by a Tiger - it shot the engine right out of the tank. He ran the fastest 1/4 mile of his life to get back to safety, with alleged Tiger in pursuit. Amazingly, no crewman was injured.

    By the time he told me the story it was more than 20 years later, and he was a chubby little lecturer, so it made an incongruous tale - but I had no doubt he was describing a true incident.

    Regards,
    MikB
     
  7. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    The M5 version had fewer machine-guns than the M3, but fewer rivets. The rivets had a cute trick in battle of being knocked out by shells and flying around the inside of the tank, smacking crewmembers, with grave results.

    A speedy machine, but its 37mm gun was inferior to German and Italian weapons. On the other hand, the US Marines won the Battle of the Tenaru-Ilu-Alligator Creek at Guadalcanal when their five M3 Stuart tanks charged the Japanese defenders, who lacked anti-tank weapons, crushing the Japanese attack force...literally.

    A good reconnaissance machine, speedy, mobile, it was not a main battle tank.
     
  8. jagdtiger

    jagdtiger Junior Member

    :icon_sadangel: Were the m5 stuarts the ones that reputidly 'brewed up' as the brits described whenever they were hit by enemy fire? This was cos the ammuntiion racks were to high similar to the shermans.
     
  9. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi all

    In March 1945 I joined the 4th Queen's Own Hussars, then in the line in Italy.

    I had spent the previous three months training on Sherman MK IVs and had always been happy to have a bit of armour between me and the outside world.

    When I was eventually shown my new tank I was horrified to find it was a "Honey" and, as the turret had been taken off, there was no protection whatsoever from enemy fire.

    If you want to read the rest of the story, have a look at:
    BBC - WW2 People's War - The Day I Should Have Died: 4th Queen's Own Hussars in Italy

    Cheers

    Ron
     
  10. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Good story Ron, thanks.
    It's all well and good us younger ones looking at photos of these tanks and examples in Museums but it's the men like you that had to fight and sometimes die in them.
    Cheers.
     
  11. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Owen

    I must point out something on the BBC site that has caused me, and some of my friends, much amusement.

    If you use the link above to go back to the original posting, have a look at the banner to the upper right that shows the different categories.
    Click on the ARMY ikon and up will come a larger picture.

    The BBC finally finished up using Cpl.Ron Goldstein as representing the British Army :) :) :)

    Ah me...... fame at last !
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Poster-boy for the entire ww2 British Army at the BBC? That's pretty good going, sure the royalty check's in the post...or maybe not.

    Got some decent pictures of a beautiful Turretless Stuart restoration that turned up at Beltring last year, I'll scan 'em in when I can find the damned things.
     
  13. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Found 'em. Didn't scan in too well, and haven't corrected much in Photoshop, hard to believe it was one of the sunniest days of the year.
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  14. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Hi
    Many thanks for those cracking photos.
    If my memory serves me rightly, my Honey had a 30mm Browning mounted forward and a 50mm aft. They were both swivel mounted and the 50mm was strictly for anti-aircraft use.
    Other arms we had on board were a 2inch mortar mounted on the right hand side facing front, a Thomson sub-machine gun, a boxful of grenades and of course we all had our Smith & Wessons revolvers.
    A turret would have been nice, but then, you can't have everything !
     
  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    A pleasure Ron,
    My pictures really don't do the recent restoration justice, It was an exceptionally good job.
    On similar lines to Owen's comment though; It's all very well to enjoy the thing on a sunny day in 2006, a different matter entirely when some bu**er might start shooting at you!
    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  17. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    My only pic from tankfest of a Stuart.
    Someone having a laugh calling it "Destroyer"?
     

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  18. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Gentlemen

    When you saw these "restoration" Honeys did any of them have the canvas canopys installed ?

    These were exactly like those one used to see on a pram and would lay on the back of the tank until required and would then be unfolded and locked into place.

    Cheers

    Ron
     
  19. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  20. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    <TABLE borderColor=#000000 width="100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD width="29%" bgColor=#ffffff>18/4/1945</TD><TD width="71%" bgColor=#ffffff>A & B Sqns forming part of 2nd Armd Bde Grp advanced to form bridgehead across FOSSA SABBASOLA at 240665. B Sqn in reserve. A Sqn worked hard all day to be rewarded with excellent results. RHQ Tp on the CL did bulk of the work but suffered 2 Kangaroo casualties. Air bursts over the 2i/c’s Honey badly wounded 2 of the crew. In general the enemy were taken by surprise. Many SPs and Mark IVs were encountered but in conjunction with excellent fighter-bomber support throughout the day the majority were destroyed. Bag estimated to be 5 SPs, 8 Mark IV and five 88’s. towards evening the Grp captured artillery personnel with their 105’s intact. Sqn leaguered in area 252668. Major Ogier, OC B Sqn was wounded and evacuated. One OR killed and three wounded.C Sqn Kangaroos were used to ferry supplies to troops on the bank of the GAIANA and to bring back the wounded.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

    War Diary of the 4th Hussars in 1945

    Ron, would one of those wounded been Corp Todd as mentioned in your article?
    BBC - WW2 People's War - The Day I Should Have Died: 4th Queen's Own Hussars in Italy

    Wednesday 18 April 1945
    "Stonked near wood for solid hour. Corporal Todd wounded badly in head when air-burst caught their Honey. Farmhouses burning, stuck in ditch."
     

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