Home Guard, died 20 November 1943: CWGC

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  1. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    Hi Folks,

    Would anyone have an idea of how to determine if a bombing raid took place on the above date?

    A home guard/6th Middlesex Bn (14883849) I'm researching, Walter O'Driscoll, was killed on that day according to the CWGC. I've searched online but can't seem to find any reports of a raid that day/night.

    It would be great if someone could point me in the right direction as to where I might find further information.
    Thanks,
    Pat
     
  2. Richard Lewis

    Richard Lewis Member

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  3. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    Thanks for the prompt reply Richard. The information I have suggest that my man was killed near Paddington which is roughly about 5 miles from Battersea. Do you think it's possible that he is one of the 7 you mention?
     
  4. Tony56

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  5. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    My apologies Tony56 the enlistment number refers to his son who survived the war. The CWGC provides the details of Walter who according to the headstone died 20/11/1943.
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

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    Pvt Walter O'Driscoll (unknown-1943) - Find A...

    Walter O'Driscoll
    1903–1943
    BIRTH SEP 1903 • Blarney County Cork, Ireland
    DEATH 20 NOVEMBER 1943 • Ealing, Middlesex, England
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    According to UK, World War II Civilian Deaths, 1939-1945 shows a number of deaths in the Beaufoy Road Battersea area

    TD


    Shirley Ann Curtis abt 1937 20 Nov 1943 Battersea, London, England Herbert Henry

    Lilian Penelope Collings abt 1877 20 Nov 1943 Battersea, London, England

    Francis Alfred Collings abt 1881 20 Nov 1943 Battersea, London, England

    Raymond Arthur Ward abt 1930 20 Nov 1943 Battersea, London, England Philip, Alice

    Emily Turner abt 1879 20 Nov 1943 Battersea, London, England Herbert Osborne

    Edith Maud Turner abt 1914 20 Nov 1943 Battersea, London, England Herbert Edward

    Terence Alfred Parkinson abt 1943 20 Nov 1943 Battersea, London, England Alfred


    Walter will NOT appear in this list as he was NOT a Civilian at the time of his death
     
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  7. Tony56

    Tony56 Member Patron

    OK, problem solved!
     
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  9. Pat Twomey

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    Thanks for the info - I did know he spent some time in the Irish army but not sure when he went to London. Tricky Dicky thanks for the list of casualties. That would seem to coincide with the 7 killed in Battersea mentioned in the Bombing Britain site above. It might be that he died of natural causes - if so would he still get a CWGC headstone?
     
  10. Tricky Dicky

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  11. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    Thanks TD - from my reading it would seem that under CWGC criteria the Home Guard was considered a Category 3 'civilian' organisation and thus to qualify for war grave status the... death (essentially) has to have occurred due to a war related cause and whilst serving overseas.

    However, when I checked the CWGC eligibility criteria at https://www.cwgc.org/media/udkhsep3/cwgc-policy-eligibility-criteria-for-commemoration.pdf (see page 10) it states 'while officially on duty'.

    This would seem to suggest that Walter was on official duty when killed.


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  12. Tricky Dicky

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    Then your next step is to apply for his Home Guard service records - forms are here Request Home Guard service records

    I have never seen a record of this sort but I would assume it should explain if he was on duty that fateful night and may even tell you where etc

    TD
     
  13. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    Thanks TD - will do!
     
  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    Example
    This chap Home Guard died of meningitis so not commemorated



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  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    is it possible he was involved in a vehicle accident either crash or run over whilst on duty or other accidental injury

    what info do you have to associate him with Paddington that evening
     
  16. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    My understanding is that death would have to occur while on official duty.
     
  17. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    Maybe - I tried a newspaper search but no luck there.
     
  18. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

    yes thats correct it was just an example

    death cert required

    O'DRISCOLL, WALTER BENEDICT 39
    GRO Reference: 1943 D Quarter in PADDINGTON Volume 01A Page 18
     
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  19. Pat Twomey

    Pat Twomey Member

    The accidental death is a possibility worth exploring further - so thanks for that.
     
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  20. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery

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