HMMGB 330 details - D/JX 184176 Able Seaman James Raymond SOUTH, RN: 07/08/1942

I am trying to find out as much as I can about mgb 330 and SOUTH, James R, Able Seaman, D/JX 184176, MGB.330, 7 August 1942, surface action, DOW my first cousin once removed


https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2416799/james-raymond-south/
ABLE SEAMAN JAMES RAYMOND SOUTH
Service Number: D/JX 184176
Regiment & Ship: Royal Navy, H.M. M.G.B. 330.
Date of Death: 07 August 1942
Buried or commemorated at BOSTON CEMETERY
Grave Referene: Sec. 2. Grave 566.
Location: United Kingdom

 

Best way to go regarding James is to get his service record from the MOD. You can apply here, it’s free and you won’t need a death certificate as he’s recorded at CWGC, of course:

Get a copy of military records of service

You may also find this website of interest, especially this thread here. From what I can tell, he died as a result of wounds suffered during an attack on a German coastal convoy travelling through the Dover Straits on 6/7 August 1942:

James himself is mentioned by name in the 4th post down (as “Raymond South”):

MGB 330 - Coastal Forces Veterans

 

Thanks for that Martin, the “Raymond South" sent me down a couple of rabbit holes pre war especially as he was born Tann

 

Might be well worth signing up on there too and tapping into their experts, they certainly seem to know their onions.

 

Martin,

Service Record has been applied for & website visited, very interesting

 

Excellent.

 

(image courtesy of Military Historian on findagrave.com)

 

Thanks for the pic Martin, is it ok to copy and include in my genealogy database

 

It’s not my photo, but I think it’s ok as the person who originally posted the photo has this note on his/her profile page, quote:

“All photos which I have added to profiles are free for individuals to copy and use however they like, but if they are to be used on a website then acknowledgement would be welcomed.”

Unquote.

You can read it in full here:

Member Profile: Military Historian - Find a Grave

If you’re going to use it on a website, as it says, just add an acknowledgment as I did with the photo.

Here too is the link to the actual headstone page:

Able Seaman James Raymond South (1919-1942) -...

You’ll also see on there a transcript of an article from the Lincolnshire Standard, 15th August 1942, which I admit I didn’t see last night when I found the headstone. Also an obituary in 1948 from the Louth Standard.

For everyone here, I quote:

“SOUTH James Raymond, D/JX 184176, Able Seaman, Royal Navy, H.M. M.G.B. 330. Died of wounds 7th August 1942, interred 2. 566. BOSTON CEMETERY. Commemorated Boston W M

While on active service, A.S. James Raymond South, R.N. (23 years), eldest son of Mrs. And the late Mr. J. South, of 58, Jubilee Avenue, Boston, received wounds from which he died in hospital at Dover on Thursday. The funeral took place at Boston on Thursday, the interment at Boston Cemetery being preceded by a service at St. Mary's R.C. Church. Mgr. J Bigland conducted the service

A.B. South, who had been serving on E-boats [sic should have read M.G.B's], joined up" about two and a half years ago, Educated at St. Mary's School, h was formerly employed as a machine hand at Messrs. J. and J, Beaulah, Ltd, A members of Beaulah's Athletic Club, he was keenly interested in sports of all kinds. In addition to his mother, he leaves two brothers, one of whom, James, is in the Merchant Navy, and two sisters.

Lincolnshire Standard, 15 August, 1942, p5.


SOUTH:- Memories always of my dear son, Raymond, late Royal Navy, who died of wounds August 7th, 1942 – From loving Mother. Remembered also by sister, brothers, and brother-in-law, Les, Boston

Louth Standard Obits – August 7th 1948”.

Unquote.

You’ll see there that the person who posted this quote made a note re an error in the article, which I have highlighted in blue - clearly, the original newspaper piece stated that James had been serving “on E-boats”. Those were German!

 

From the Lincolnshire Echo, 14 August 1942.

This was very kindly found and sent to me by fellow member brithm:

 

Thanks Martin & brithm,much appreciated

 

Hi All,

I have just received Service record for James Raymond South,
( see previous post: HMMGB 330 details - D/JX 184176 Able Seaman James Raymond SOUTH, RN: 07/08/1942 )

I have a couple of questions, what is D.N.A. Wills No. 8006/42 ? and DNA 14646/42 (DD 5792)? also he received Prize Money L1 (person entitled redacted) unfortunately I can't tell what documents have been copied as there are no numbers on the photocopies
Any help appreciated

 

Best to keep to one thread, I have asked this thread be merged into the existing one.

 

An explanation for DNA Wills:

From: RM44 Arthur DOOLEY EX4045, killed at Achnacarry

 

Thanks davidbfpo, thats answered that question for me

 

Just to confirm that DNA as stated by davidbfpo was indeed 'Director of Naval Accounts' which was based in Bath, UK.
DNA 14646/42 (DD 5792) this is a reference from same regarding this seaman's death (DD) is naval speak for 'discharged dead'.

Prize money was originally a monetary reward paid to the crew of the Royal Navy ship making a capture. However, the Naval Prize Act 1918 changed the system to one where the prize money was placed into a common fund from where a payment was made to all naval personnel, with the distribution taking place after the war. Prize money in WWII came under this Act but in December 1945 the Admiralty made the announcement that the payment of prize money in WWII would be the last ever occasion it would be distributed.

In David's post #14 he gives a link regarding DNA Wills where the mention of medals is associated/indicated. I am not so sure this is correct but with RN records I never cease to be amazed at times as to what they record and where they record it in forms.

I can tell you that DNA Wills refers to a form 'Certificate of Seamen's Wills' with the number and the year. As well as the obvious, these certificates indicated the description of effects for which the certificate was granted for example: War Gratuity, Naval Prize Money, Residue of Wages.

Regards
Hugh

 

Thanks Hugh thats really clear, I did wonder when I read about the medals as ww2 medals didn't have details on the rim as in ww1, I may be barking up the wrong tree though.. (missus says I am barking anyway)

 

Yes, it is definitely incorrect about the medals in the link. I have seen medals and other information recorded in different places on service records but I am happy my last para in #16 covers Wills correctly.
Hugh

 

Hugh, is there any way to obtain a copy of the Certificate of Seamen's Wills ?

 

As he died in August 1942 - try here: Register of Certificates Issued for Deceased Seamen and Mariners case numbers 7241-8760, 21 Jul-26 September 1942. | Royal Museums Greenwich