Hitler's Euthanasia Programme

Discussion in 'The Holocaust' started by spidge, Nov 7, 2005.

  1. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    The whole thing had very little to do with relieving sufferring it was all to do with the idiotic notion of "protecting German blood" and money.

    The whole T4 program had been subject to providing estimated cost saving of doing away with the sick , the mentally ill and those deemed to be "useless eaters".
    The projected saving had been estimated as far a head as the mid 1950's.

    ( I will look up info on this but it will be Monday before I can add it).

    The target groups deemed ripe for death were expanded upon , alcoholics , personality disorders , the elderly - there really was no limitation on what might happen or where it might end or lead to if given a free rein.

    Galen's warning from the pulpit was at the root of Hitler stating that "he would settle with religion" whern the war was won but for the preesnt he required to keep things as untroubled as possible.
    Christianity as we know it and religion as we know it was not to be a long term feature of the 1,000 year Reich.

    Revisionists who crow "show me a gas chamber" , "draw me a gas chamber" don't want to know about or discuss T4 in any depth - they can't afford to , it is written of as "euthanesia" or "eugenics" , not anything to do with the "Holocaust". ( Something for them which must be seen to have a Jewish identity).

    Himmler was the man who brough T4 into the concentration camps to " relieve" the sufferring of sick inmates action "14f13" was as far as I can recall how it was coded but it did make the concrete link between T4 and the start of the extermination process by gassing.

    T4 was above all something which could be traced back to the Fuhrer's office in the Reichschancellery - he gave the medical profession an assurance that no legal actions would be taken against them and society had already gone so far as to declare that the will of the Fuhrer was considered to be law - Hitler had already declared to the judicial system that he would be the supreme judge in Germany and his word was not to be questioned.
    ( Those who could not be relied upon were retired , this was what Frank referred to in "Triumph of The Will" as "National Socialist Justice").
    T4 could only exist in a society which had totally surrendered its legal process to a dictator who copuld make ad hoc law without the checks and balances which should exist.

    The party also controlled the medical and nursing professions , they had to attend for education , and party membership was a must - otherwise you did not work.

    It was of course "sold" via the propaganda ministry - some of this can be easily found on the internet and has featured in "The Nazis A Warning From History"...."lower than the animals" is how some were described.
    Being declared "antisocial" was enough to put you on the "at risk register" , simply having epilepsy was another reason to fear for your life.

    T4 was the thin edge of what we call the Holocaust - the program slowed but it never actually stopped - it continued under other guises - the Rubicon had been crossed and lessons from T4 had been learned and would be applied in the east - don't kill in Germany , the need for secrecy , the need to be able to deny it and provide explaination.
    The T4 operatives found work again when the Reinhart Camps were being built - they had practical experience of killing.

    T4 Medical Killing Program

    The T-4 Nazi Euthanasia Program in Hitler's Germany: The Extermination of the Mentally Retarded, Mentally Ill and other Infirm Persons

    Mobile Killing Organizations

    Some quick links to introduce the system.

    "Death and Deliverance" Michael Burleigh is also worth consulting.
     
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  2. Smudger Jnr

    Smudger Jnr Our Man in Berlin

    James,

    I think you just about summed up the T4 programme in an excelent reply.

    Regards
    Tom
     
  3. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

    T4 was not Euthanasia in any accepted medical sense as there never was any consent at any time.
    No effort was ever made to explore the capacity of the persons being killed or to ask them if they wanted to die !
    There was no legal frame work other than the word of Hitler and the mechanisms set in place to kill.
    Euthanasia is based on that of an informed written consent and a legally and ethically obliagtions - T4 had none of this.
    As far as relatives and famalies went - false dead certificates were issued and lies were told to conceal exactly what was taking place.
    In respect of care of the sick and disabled , by state decree all voluntary agencies were forced to surrender those in their care to the State which undertook to look after them , quakers , church charities , all had to withdrawn from the delivery of care - when enquiries were made about past residents bland replies were made and rarely was permission given to see them , the rest is history.
     
  4. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

  5. James S

    James S Very Senior Member

  6. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Before anyone moans I did do a search to see if it had been mention.......'Honest Guv'

    :D
     
  7. Fusilier

    Fusilier Junior Member

    Below is a document relating to T4

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  8. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Hadn't read this one - Searched for 'Aktion t4' - 3 relevant threads, merged 'em.

    Wonderful thing the search function...
     
  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I did use it.......I swear on my babies eyes I did.
     
  10. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Come off it, that one won't work, we all now he's adopted.
     
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  11. Passchendaele_Baby

    Passchendaele_Baby Grandads Little Girl

    Hitler is sicker than I thought...
     

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