Hi Guys can you help, on my Fathers army record it shows abbreviation either T4. P.C. or T+. P.C. I have highlighted the relevant entry on the attached page from his service record. The list of abbreviations that I have shows T4 as Auxiliary Horse Transport but doesn't list P.C. at all. A work colleague suggested that this could relate to Training at a Parachute Centre but I can't confirm this from the info I have. Thanks Lotus7
Hi Lotus Must admit I've never come across that one before. If you look on the 3rd line, it says Posted to 12 LAA - and then what looks like Pte?? Camp I could hazard a guess and say it is T4 ??? Camp Sorry not much help Lesley
Thanks Lesley, I must admit I am at a loss about these two lines ie. (ATS Spec).... ? Was that not the ladies search light unit....? Hope there is some one who might know something Regards Lotus7
If it is Royal Artillery I would imagine ATS is something like Artillery Training Service, but I am sure someone will correct me
Hiya, is there any record for Penhale training camp, For 5/04/43. Also is there a record for Husbands Bosworth camp, For 30/04/43. I've been told ATS(Spec) means, Specialist Artillery Training School. So you could be right, unless someone knows different Regards Lotus7
Hello Lotus7, Is this of any assistance: http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/9614-abbreviations/ Best, Steve.
Hi Steve a big thank you at last I've got an answer to one of my Q's. ATS(Spec);- Special Armament Training Section. Given his was in the RA this now makes sense as he was doing Anti Aircraft training at that time. Hoping some one can help on Q' two. Regards Lotus7
Hi Steve (also anyone reading this)......... I've been told it's T+ P.C. Which means Transport at Practice Camp. As he was with the12th LAA then posted to 9th reserve AA Regt (B Bty). He would have learnt to fire AA Guns but would have needed to drive the Gun Carriers as well as the gun unit lorries. Do you or anyone know if this could be true? How can I find out what training they did at Penhale camp and Husband Bosworth camp in 1943, any more help to Understand these Abbreviations I would be grateful. Regards Lotus7
Hello again, Lotus7, I recommend that you send a PM to 'Ron Goldstein', one of our WWII veterans. He served with the 49th LAA in N Africa, Sicily and Italy, before transferring to tanks. I think Ron is probably best placed to help you with your latest question, as he was there, seen it, done it and got the 'T' shirt. Best, Steve.
Loftus7 With regard to the message you left in my message box: Firstly, can't help at all in deciphering the abbreviations, when an un-named clerk actually wrote the details down he was not to know that 70 years later someone would try to read his efforts Where i can perhaps help is by pointing you to a series of links : http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/35439-rons-memories-of-the-49th-laa-rgt-ra/ These will take you to some of the items I have posted about life in an Ack Ack unit, but bear in mind I was a Driver/Op, that is a wireless operator and so I would have had different experiences to your dad. Sorry I can't be more helpful Ron
Hi Ron, thanks for your response I will indeed have a read. I'll try the MOD office again and see if they can shed some light on those Abb's. I'm so proud of my Father and want to do him justice when I finally get round to writing up is army history. The Talk Forum guys have been a grate help. Regards Lotus7
Evening Lotus7, There is an 'Abbrevations' drop down in the 'Databases' section of the forum toolbar. I don't know what you will find in there, but may be worth a look... Best, Steve.
Hi Steve, wow thanks for the info I'll have a good look tomorrow. Sorry to go on but I do like to solve a mystery or two. I'm finding out all sorts of things which in its self I find very interesting. Regards Lotus7
I think it may actually be Training and Practice Camp: Googling "training and practice camp" artillery brings up quite a few relevant hits. "Transport at Practice Camp" was the clue but it didn't sound right.
Hiya, thanks for the tip, never thought to Google will give it a go later. I'm sure other records must have had the same entry, I can't believe he would have been alone doing whatever. The more I get into this the more intriguing it becomes. Before being sent to Penhale camp he was at Deepcut Barracks, was that not a tough place to be at . Regards Lotus7
Hi guys just an up date, thanks to "idler"......... I found out what those Abbrev' mean, while trawling google (with mighty care what I typed) I found an extract from Roy Florentine's army record and he did indeed go to Penhale camp with 12th LAA as did my Father and those Abbrev' do read T+P.C. Which means Training and Practice Camp. See extract below for his entry. 21 May 1942 Joined the Royal Artillery at 255 LAA Training Regiment at Yeovil. 17 June 1942 Posted to 220 LAA Training Regiment at Newquay for LAA specialist training. 6 August 1942 Posted to 12 LAA Training and Practice Camp, Penhale, Cornwall for live firing practice. 8 September 1942 Posted to 122 LAA Regiment RA in the Dover area. Also, interposted to 402 LAA Battery. see details Thank you all for your help advice and guidance . Regard Lotus7
