German War Graves

Could somebody post some photos of german graves in occupied territory, like maybe in France.. But i need some recent photos, not black and white photos taken back in ww2.
I want to see in what condition those graves are kept.

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http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/ww2-battlefields-today/15790-battlefield-tour-anzio-cassino-sept-08-a.html

feel free to use any of my photos

 

Buried Hitchin Cemetery Hertfordshire

Oberfeldwebel Georg Anthony

FRIDAY 30TH AUGUST 1940
Aircraft:
Messerschmitt Bf 110 C. M8+MM 4./ZG 76
Werke Nummer of 3615
Location:
Kimpton, Hertfordshire
Date/Time:
16.30 hours, 30th August 1940
Crew
Oberfeldwebel Georg Anthony (27) (Pilot) killed
Unteroffizier Heinrich Nordmeier (Bordfunker)
severely injured.
Shot down by Flying Officer Ludwik Paszkiewicz of No.303 Squadron
and Pilot Officer B J Wicks of No.56 Squadron

http://www.redkitebooks.co.uk/pdfs/Hertfordshire%20WW2%20Sample%20Page.pdf

 

Buried Hitchin Cemetery Hertfordshire

Mission: Attack on Coventry, England.

Date: 8th April 1941

Time: 10.12.p.m.

Unit: 9 Staffel/Kampfgeschwader 26

Type: Heinkel He 111H-5

Werke/Nr. 3628

Code: 1H + ET (E Yellow)

Start: Le Bourget, France.

Location: Vickers Farm, Bendish, near Hitchin, Hertfordshire.

Pilot: Leutnant Julius Tengler Badly wounded

Observer: Gefreiter Wolfgang Euerl Killed

Radio/Op: Unteroffizier Hubert Faber Badly wounded

Radio/Op 2: Unteroffizier Hans Zender Unhurt

Flt/Engineer: Gefreiter Franz Reitmayr Badly wounded

REASON FOR LOSS:

This aircraft was shot down by S/L A. T. D. Sanders and P/O Sutton in a Defiant of No.264 Squadron. Heinkel broke up in the air and crashed at Bendish, Hertfordshire.

Started from Le Bourget to attack Coventry with one 500 kilo and Incendiary bombs. Before reaching Coventry, when flying at about 17,000 feet, this aircraft was attacked by a Night Fighter. The first attack damaged the port engine, which stopped, and the bombs were jettisoned. The second attack hit the starboard engine, and the aircraft caught fire. The crew baled out, the observer was killed in the wreckage, but the other four members of the crew, three of whom were badly wounded, landed safely. This crew took part in an operation on the previous night to Glasgow, but the operation was described as scrappy because of unfavourable weather conditions. (Source: A.I.1.(k) Report No. 129/1941)

Tengler

 

kitchener Ontario has german war graves from all pows that died while canada

link to website German War Graves

 

In Kitchener Ontario Canada, in Woodland Cemetary, there is a section that contains 187 German POWs who died in captivity while held in Canada from both world wars. I find it interesting that 2 were murdered by their own comrads.

This site can be googled.

If anyone would like me to photograph this site in my own home town, I would be happy to.
Perhaps summer pictures would be nicer than snowy winter pictures, your choice.

peaceful

 

Do tell more .
Well, hang onto your kilt or hat Owen, or whatever you need to hang onto.

In both cases they were murdered by their fellow German comrads for expressing anti Natzi sentiment.

August Plazsick was murdered by Werner Schwalb

Dr. Karl Lehmann was murdered by Heinrich Busch, Willi Muller, Bruno Pezonowsky and Walter Wolf

Both murders were investigated by the R.C.M.P.
A civilian trial took place and they were all sentenced to be hung

The victims and their murderers lie side by side in the cemetary

Many POW graves were brought from accross Canada to this one burial site in the 1970's so they could be watched over and cared for. Kitchener was originally settled by Germans and it was thought that there would be more tolerance and less acts of vandalizm here. Kitchener was originaly called Berlin-changed in WWI so as to not look sympathetic to Germany.

Woodland cemetary is a public cemetary and the German POW section is only one part of it.

On a personal note my father, an ex RAF is buried in the same cemetary. He chose his own site but a long way over.

Avery well done web site to explore each POW's background and individual picture of their headstone
(copy righted):

www.3.sympatico.ca>darrenarndt/germanwargraves/index.htm

peaceful

 

Anyone know of German POW burial sites in other countries where the civilian police and court intervened and sentenced them to death
during the war years?

In general terms without digging for info: Is it common around the world to have German POW's buried in the same site as the citizens?

peaceful

 

I'm trying to identify a number of German SS soldiers that would have been buried in a German Cemetery at Hinges during May 1940. All I have is the units that were listed on their original grave markers but no names.

Hinges is West of Lille and just North of Bethune in the Pas-de-Calais region of France.

Does anyone know which of the five German cemeteries the bodies would have been moved to?

I'm assuming they were moved as I can't find any CWGC graves in Hinges either where Germans are sometimes buried.

 

When Bourdon in the Somme Deparment,north west of Amiens was established as a consolidated German Military Cemetery,German casualties from the Nord and Pas de Calais were reinterred at Bourdon.

After both world wars,the French ensured in their agreements with the Germans, regarding the permanent burial sites, that all German casualties were interred in consolidated cemeteries.

The Channel Island authorities followed the same policy and apart from those Germans interred in St George's cemetery,all German casulties were transferred to the Huisnes sur Mer Ossuaire on the French mainland.

 

Many thanks - I see on Pauls thread there are over 22,000 casualties in there. Somehow I don't think I'll be able to ID them by units and dates of death alone.

http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/ww2-museums-events-places-see/11879-bourdon-germany-war-cemetery.html

 

Drew, my guess would be Bourdon - you can look on the Grabersuche site but you need names to do that as I don't think they have unit identifications. I've been to Bourdon and it is very affecting. The Germans killed at St Pierre du Vauvray were buried originally in the village cemetery then moved after the war to Champigny St Andre, south of Evreux. I guess from your post that you don't have names? Sometimes and particularly if the dead were buried by French civil authorities, the names will be recorded in the village archives, which is where I found the names from St. Pierre. Don't bother with the church, in my experience they don't reply and the civil authorities keep better records.

 

Bit of a long one Brian - My next project (visit to France) is another War Crime and the investigation was advised that the unit(s) responsible could be identified by the German SS soldiers buried in the German Cemetery at Hinges during May 1940. The investigation files list the names of the SS units of soldiers originally buried in the cemetery but not any names-I was wondering if I could identify them by unit and date of death but walking around looking at 20,000 headstones is a bit of a needle in a haystack unfortunately.

 

Yes, a bit of a big task that - so you knew they were originally buried in Hinges, but not their individual names? I honestly don't think that the Grabersuche online or the actual book I saw in the office of the cemetery at Bourdon contains any reference to units - which would have been very useful to me. You'd be looking at date of death, perhaps rank and name only I reckon. Do you know where they were killed originally? If so, they would probably have been buried by the French authorities and perhaps listed in their archives? Another long shot I'm afraid. I don't know anything about Hinges, but there don't seem to be any German war graves now, just the Norfolks, whom I imagine you're investigating. If they were buried there straight away and it was originally a German war cemetery then there may be records held by French or German authorities of their reburial in a concentration cemetery? Clutching at your 20,000 straws now, I know. Happy to help if I can.

 

They were killed fighting at St. Venant around the 27th May -There was some thought they were figting the DLI but looking at the files everything so far is pointing towards me of the Royal Berks. I think St. Venant is a bit of a red herring as the murders seem to have taken place further west which was the Berks AOR-Anyway I digress.

So far I've only read the overviews but have managed to get the court papers and witness statements which I've not looked at yet in any detail but there are named suspects.

I looked to see if there was a CWGC cemetery at Hinges and couldn't find one-You mentioned some (2 Bn?) Norfolks are buried there?

 

All very confusing - there are three burial sites in or near Hinges - one is a British Military Cemetery, the other is actually in Le Vertannoy, a village close by. Both of these only have WW1 burials. The Norfolks are indeed 2nd Btn buried in the Hinges Communal Cemetery, which usually means the town cemetery. 31 burials in total, 29 Norfolks I think and a couple of 1st Btn Royal Scots, all dates of death 25th May-27th May and one 1st June - but I only had a quick scan. There is a CWGC page, but look for Hinges Comunal Cemetery or follow the link from the town's Wikipedia page.

If you have names of suspects, you can look them up on the Grabersuche - it's German but relatively straightforward - fill in a form to prove who you are (name & e-mail, nothing stressful) and put in the names and date of death. There are boxes for date of birth and place of birth I think and even place of death, but have a look. I managed to find four or five of eight names I had and put in a variety of dates of death. I'm pretty sure if I went to the cemetery I'd find the others in pretty much the same place. It's got a neat sort of phonetic search that's actually quite helpful - if you put Muller, it looks for Mueller and other variations too.

I'd bet that the local French mayor's office will have records of burials in the communal cemetery. Kim James struck lucky in Greater Share of Honour in that he found eye-witnesses still living, but my experience is that someone will have been paid to do the dirty work, usually the local chantonnier - literally, the road sweeper or mender. My misfortune in St.Pierre was that the original road sweeper was killed early on in the fighting and they got a guy in from a neighbouring village who was only interested in the money and so details are sparse - also because the town wasn't re-populated until August so they wanted to get things sorted quickly, but the Germans had looted everything, including typewriters, paper, pens etc.

 

hello Andy

CWGC

CWGC - Find a Cemetery

HINGES COMMUNAL CEMETERY France Pas de Calais 31
HINGES MILITARY CEMETERY France Pas de Calais 85
LE VERTANNOY BRITISH CEMETERY, HINGES France Pas de Calais 139

 

Found this photo in my old files.

The German war memorial for both world wars in the town of Hameln. The pied piper's place.

 

Just coming back to this discussion.As regards tracing SS war dead in official cemeteries,it will be very difficult for legislation forbids identifying these dead as SS etc.This is in accordance with the edict of the Nuremberg Tribunal that the SS and the Waffen SS were deemed to be criminal organisations.

I remember that Ronald Reagan was subject to controversy when he visited a German Military Cemetery at Bitburg in about 1985...(bitte en bit...some might remember the lager or rather the plisener of Bitburg).Here are buried a number of Waffen SS members and his itinerary included a visit to this particular miliatary cemetery.

I would have thought that grave details did not identify them as SS but merely the fact that local knowledge was aware of the background to certain graves.It might well be that these casualties were given the equivalent Wehrmacht rank in dead since the SS and Waffen SS and their affiliates were subject the the Nuremburg edict.