Dismiss Notice

You must be 18 or over to participate here.
Dismiss this notice to declare that you are 18+.

Anyone below 18 years of age choosing to dishonestly dismiss this message is accepting the consequences of their own actions.
WW2Talk.Com will not approve of, or be held responsible, for your choices.

German Target map 1940 East Kent. Dover Folkestone Margate Manstone

Discussion in '1940' started by morrisc8, Feb 7, 2025.

  1. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Hi guys,
    I have just bought this 1940 German map of East Kent that i think was used for target information?
    Special Edition. Some of the places with targets East Kent. Dover, Folkestone, Margate, Manstone and many more on the map. Would the German air force have used this map or the army ? for an invasion?
    I took the photos with my phone as map is large. Used Google Translate so english might not be 100% German map 1940 21 info.jpg German map 1940 1A East Kent.jpg German map 1940 1.jpg German map 1940 17 Dover  info.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2025
    Osborne2 likes this.
  2. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    A few more photos. Used Google Translate so english might not be 100%
    Keith
    German map 1940 24 info.jpg German map 1940 23 info.jpg German map 1940 22 info.jpg German map 1940 14 Manston info.jpg German map 1940 15 info.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2025
    Osborne2 and Wobbler like this.
  3. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    A few more. German map has arrows on photo two, they go across part of the map, could that be a route ?
    Keith
    German map 1940 Canterbury Airport 5.jpg German map arrows 3.jpg German map 1940 12 Deal info.jpg German map 1940 13 info.jpg
     
    Wobbler and DannyM like this.
  4. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    There is lots more info on the map, i have not found much info on this one, how many were printed? Who used it? and did they cover the whole of the UK.
    I have in my collection original German photos of the south part of the map taken from France. Dover in the photo. ww2 dover 6a.jpg
    Keith

    German map 1940 4.jpg German map 1940 16 info.jpg German map 1940 18 Folkestone  info.jpg German map 1940  9info.jpg German map 1940 10 info.jpg German map 1940 11 info.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2025
    Wobbler likes this.
  5. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    The map focuses primarily on any fortifications (Befestigungskarte)
    As the map was for AOK 16, it will have been used in preparation for OP ‘Seelöwe’, as this was their intended landing area
    000.jpg
     
  6. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Thank you itdan for the info:cheers:
    Keith
    German map AOK 16.jpg
     
    Wobbler and JimHerriot like this.
  7. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Keith, I fear neither death nor devil
    But fraulein ltdan has an important hairdressing appointment that I have to drive her to... ahem
    I'll report back on the map in more detail later
    over and out
     
  8. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

  9. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    A few more photos. Ramsgate, Herne Bay, St Nicolas at wade, lots of wire there, what could it be that needs that amount?

    German map Ramsgate.jpg German map Herne Bay.jpg German map St Nicaolas at wade.jpg

    upload_2025-2-7_14-53-38.png
     
    Wobbler and JimHerriot like this.
  10. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    This comes from the documents of the 29th ID
    A PzJAbt had 4 Kp, an ID on average 45 Kp, making a total of 180 maps/Division
    How many of these were actually issued - and how many were destroyed - is beyond my knowledge
    00.jpg
    I'm currently working my way through the documents preserved for OP Sea Lion at germandocsinrussia.
    As far as I can see, the coverage with such fortification maps only seems to have extended as far as N London.
    And the focus was clearly on the landing zones

    EDIT:
    The area with a thicker border marks the maps that should be issued
    000.jpg
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2025
  11. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    And last but not least, parts that were covered by the fortification maps:
    000.jpg
     
    Wobbler and morrisc8 like this.
  12. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    The map came from Belgium
    German
    Befestigungskarte 01-09-1940 - doelen - targets

    English
    Fortification map 01-09-1940 - doelen - targets
    Keith
    German map 1940 20 info.jpg German map 1940 8 info.jpg German map 1940 date 2.jpg
     
    Wobbler likes this.
  13. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Is there a picture of it?

    Because such maps were usually produced in the OKH Department for War Maps and Surveying and delivered to the respective army map depots (Here: Brussels)
     
    Christian Luyckx likes this.
  14. Wobbler

    Wobbler Patron Patron

  15. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    I can confirm that the Luftwaffe's Stabsbildzweigstelle (originally located in Dresden) had a special Werkstatt located in the buildings of the Ecole Royale Militaire (Royal Military Academy) in Brussels where they produced hundreds of these (and other) maps. However, it would seem they not only produced maps exclusively for the Luftwaffe, but also for the Heer and the Kriegsmarine.

    upload_2025-2-7_23-32-59.jpeg
     
  16. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Those rascals!
    But in the official ‘’Kartenbrief‘’ they sing the praises of their own work in Berlin
    Index of /m/m_documents/DE/Kartenbriefe

    Very interesting reading, by the way, because you learn in passing that all the neccessary maps for the Balkans, Greece and the entire Russian western border were already ready in the drawer at the beginning of February ‘41

    EDIT:
    Nice by-catch, discovered while browsing:
    english publications on and about military maps of all kinds:
    Index of /m/m_documents/EN
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2025
  17. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    Most of the maps produced by the Luftwaffe's Stabsbildzweigstelle in Brussels were maps of towns and areas located in the British Isles. Those maps were mainly used by Luftflotte II's Staff departments (also located in Brussels) and navigators (during the BoB). The Heer and the Kriegsmarine also ordered maps there for their specific needs, presumably to prepare for Seelöwe. I suspect Keith's map is one of those.
    If I recall, the Brussels' Stabsbildzweigstelle closed shop in March/April 1941.

    Before launching Fall Gelb, the OKW also had prepared a large supply of maps of almost every region in The Netherlands, Belgium, Luxemburg and France. I managed to get hold of such a bundle of maps that had been issued to a Hauptmann serving in an infantry division. Imagine my surprise when I found out that these maps were German copies of Michelin maps (scale 1/200.000). The bundle also contained a booklet Stadt-Durchfahrten in Belgien und angrenzenden Gebieten which contained plans of every major Dutch, Belgian and northern French city! These bundles were issued by the Generalstab des Heeres - Abt. für Kriegskarten und Vermessungswesen in Berlin and were dated January 20th 1940!

    As I discovered, the Wehrmacht also had more detailed maps in their inventory, probably to be issued to artillery units. These were copies of Belgian military maps, some of which being somewhat outdated though. God only knows how they got hold of these, but I would suspect the Abwehr and the OKW's department Fremde Heere West to be involved. In any event, the Wehrmacht was thoroughly prepared.
     
    Wobbler and ltdan like this.
  18. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

  19. morrisc8

    morrisc8 Under the Bed

    Sorry itdan I meant I bought it from Belgium, my internet is off, hope to get it back asap
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2025
    Wobbler and ltdan like this.
  20. Osborne2

    Osborne2 Well-Known Member

    Looks from the travel guide as if Scotland wasn't really at much risk then?
     

Share This Page