French Panthers & Spanish '88's

Discussion in 'Weapons, Technology & Equipment' started by von Poop, Mar 2, 2006.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Can anyone direct me to any websites or books that feature photographs of pzkpfw.V's in post-war french service? i've got a couple of distant shots from
    'wheels and tracks' magazine and some shots of panthers in Free French colours (Map of France on side and front panels)but really would like to see some more detail as i believe the French used them quite extensively immediately after the war,. The German '88' also served on in spanish service until surprisingly late into the 20th century (late 70's????) and ,again, i can only find one grainy picture of these in a parade. Any Help or suggestions would be much appreciated..
     
  2. angie999

    angie999 Very Senior Member

    The Spanish airforce certainly continued to use German WWII aircraft until quite late and these included many of the aircraft used in the "Battle of Britain" movie.
     
  3. Tyrulf

    Tyrulf Member

    sry Poop but I have no clue :p
     
  4. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    The Spanish Air Force certainly used Heinkel He111's and Me109's for a long time after the war and as was said by Angie, were used in the Battle of Britain.
     
  5. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

    The Spanish Air Force certainly used Heinkel He111's and Me109's for a long time after the war and as was said by Angie, were used in the Battle of Britain.

    They were both fitted with merlin engines. Also, when they were used in the film Battle of Britian, the assembled aircraft represented the thirteenth biggest airforce at the time!
     
  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    the planes are well covered, photographs aplenty, I always assume any 109 you see on modern film is a spanish Merlin engined one, even a Spanish Heinkel at Duxford... but the Panthers!! The 88's!! ?? where are the pictures?? Which books?? Is there anyone French or France-based out there who might know the right direction to start looking?
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

  8. Ignacio

    Ignacio Junior Member

    I will try to take a photo from an 88. They were used by the air force becaused Franco´s armed forces copied the german system.Later the AAA was transfered to the artillery branch, in the Army.

    The spanish Me-109 were produced in Sevilla, Spain. Their actual name was HA-1112 "Buchón", was armed with two Hispano-suiza 20mm. cannons, and could carry rockets or bombs.
     

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  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I will try to take a photo from an 88. They were used by the air force becaused Franco´s armed forces copied the german system.Later the AAA was transfered to the artillery branch, in the Army.
    :)That'd make my day mate. Beginning to doubt there was any record at all out there.
    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  10. Brownag

    Brownag Member

    France made Junkers 52 and 88 aircraft after the war for their air force. I think I've read somewhere that any Ju 52s you see still flying today are post-war French made machines rather than war period German ones.

    Didn't the Syrians get captured German panzers from the USSR after 1945 as well?

    Cheers

    Adam
     
  11. Kiwiwriter

    Kiwiwriter Very Senior Member

    France made Junkers 52 and 88 aircraft after the war for their air force. I think I've read somewhere that any Ju 52s you see still flying today are post-war French made machines rather than war period German ones.

    Didn't the Syrians get captured German panzers from the USSR after 1945 as well?

    Cheers

    Adam

    They sure did, and they turned them into pillboxes, as they were not as fast nor did they take the same ammo as the newer Soviet-made machines.

    So they faced off against old enemies....Israeli Shermans...and lost.
     
  12. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Didn't the Syrians get captured German panzers from the USSR after 1945 as well?

    Cheers

    Adam

    Stug's Too.
    Syrian Pz.4:
    http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3519
    There's better pictures out there. Latrun Had 2 captured in 1967(?) but I noticed recently that the Littlefield collection has just aquired one, could be from the Israeli museum? (I believe they sold some stuff recently)
    Some deployed on the Golan Heights If I recall....
    There we go:
    http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mcnelly/msh/aiw/syrian_1967.htm.

    Cheers,

    Adam (also)
     
  13. mahross

    mahross Senior Member

    I know the French sent at least one Panther to French - Indo China just in case the Chinese wanted to get involved. It was sent to counter any threat from IS - II's. I'll see if I can find a pic.

    Ross
     
  14. mahross

    mahross Senior Member

    Here is a pic of a Free French Panther. Taken just after the war. It had served with the French 2nd Armoured.

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    Ross
     
  15. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Finally found 1 shot of a Museum 88 at La Coruña, presumably in Spanish colours, a sort of grey/green??:
    Curiosities
    Or is it Italian as Flak 88/56 appears to be their designation??

    Wiki :rolleyes: has a reference to their use by naval coastal artillery units in theYugoslavian Civil war but as it's Wiki and I'm not entirely sure which war is being referred to I'm a little uncertain.

    Still trying to find out when exactly they left the Spanish Military inventory.
    Coruna looks like a cracking little museum though:
    MUSEO MILITAR DE LA CORUÑA

    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  16. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    One year and three months wait.
    Are you now a happy bunny?
     
  17. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Not really as it's a single museum example.
    I'm sure I've seen these towed by SdKfz. 7's long after ww2 and would still love to find more info, or pictures of them actually in postwar service.
     
  18. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

  19. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Finally did that, god knows what the internet translation I included with my English email actually says:

    (ninguna traducción pobre del Internet de la duda)
    El buen día,<O:p</O:p
    Apesadumbrado para mi carencia lace on <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.ww2talk.com/forum/ /><st1:State w:st=del</st1:State> español pero <ST1http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/ /><st1:State w:st=del</st1:State></ST1:place mí esperaba que usted podría ayudarme con una pregunta pequeña lanzado para arriba por mi investiga sobre la segunda guerra mundial.<O:p</O:p
    <O:p</O:p

    Creo el alemán hecho arma de 88m m servido encendido con el ejército español para la guerra <st1:State w:st="on"><ST1:place "on del</ST1:place</st1:State> poste de muchos años, y es posiblemente el tractor, el SdKfz.7. ¿Quisiera saber si esto está tan? ¿y qué año fue retirada de servicio? <O:p</O:p
    <O:p</O:p

    Muy apesadumbrado para incomodar le pero la dirección a cualquier fuente de la información, o aún los cuadros en servicio mucho sería apreciado.<O:p</O:p

    Oh crap... this is the even dodgier web translation back...
    (no poor translation of the Internet of the doubt): Good day, Grieved for my deficiency of the Spanish but of me hoped that you could help with a small question sent me for above by my investigates on World War II. I create the German conducted military operation of 88m m served ignition with the Spanish army for the war as the post of many years, and is possibly the tractor, the SdKfz.7. It wanted to know if this is so? and what year retirement was on watch? Very grieved to incomodar him but the direction of any source of the information, or still the pictures in good condition would be appreciated much
    .
     
  20. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Oh ace. I'm still giggling.
    Mrs D has a Spanish friend, maybe when she sees her next week I coiuld ask her to translate it properly.
     

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