Flight Lieutenant ALFRED ERNEST MARSHALL D F C, D F M 47124, 25 Sqdn., Royal Air Force

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  1. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Flight Lieutenant ALFRED ERNEST MARSHALL
    D F C, D F M

    47124, 25 Sqdn., Royal Air Force
    who died age 29
    on 27 November 1944
    Son of Alfred Ernest and Hilda Beatrice Marshall; husband of Beatrice Mary Marshall, of Hitchin.
    Remembered with honour
    HITCHIN CEMETERY
     

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  2. nicks

    nicks Very Senior Member

    Marshall and his radar operator were killed on November 27 1944 when their Mosquito hit the ground during a low-level beat-up of Castle Camps aerodrome after returning from a sortie.
    Men Of The Battle Of Britain K G Wynn.
     
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  3. brat93uk

    brat93uk New Member

    Alfred Marshall joined the RAF as an Aircraft Apprentice as a member of the 23rd Entry at RAF Halton. His service number was 471224 not as shown in the topic heading as 4712.
     
  4. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello and thank you for your update

    CWGC has the service number down as 47124

    If you have supporting evidence could you update CWGC so that they can amend their records.

    MARSHALL, ALFRED ERNEST Rank: Flight Lieutenant Service No: 47124 Date of Death: 27/11/1944 Age: 29 Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force 25 Sqdn. Awards: D F C, D F M Grave Reference: N.W. Extn. Grave 381. Cemetery: HITCHIN CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Alfred Ernest and Hilda Beatrice Marshall; husband of Beatrice Mary Marshall, of Hitchin.


    Regards Clive
     
  5. nicks

    nicks Very Senior Member

    The following information has been sent to the forum by the son of Flt Lt Marshall regarding the circumstances surrounding the accident that resulted in the death of his father and radar operator F/O Allen.

     
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  6. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Cheers Nicks (& the son of the FLTLT) - good info

    Regarding service numbers, as he enlisted as an OR his service number changed when he was commissioned as a Pilot Officer as is RAF tradition

    According to the London Gazette his original number was 565286 - which is noted against his commissioning entry and his awarding of the DFM in June 1941


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  7. DaveB

    DaveB Very Senior Member

    Extract from Aces High covering FLTLT Marshall
     

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  8. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

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  9. harkness

    harkness Well-Known Member

    1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
    "Seletar", Bearton Road, Hitchin, Hertfordshire
    NAME DOB OCCUPATION
    Alfred E Marshall 02 Nov 1885 Raf Civilian Instructor Electrical Grade iii
    Hilda B Deamer (Marshall) 04 Jun 1891 Unpaid Domestic Duties
    Sidney Hyde 09 Nov 1884 Raf Grade i Established Civilian Instructor Electrical
    Eva G Hyde 13 Feb 1887 Unpaid Domestic Duties
    Ethel L Bellinger 11 Nov 1909 Unpaid Domestic Duties
    Sorry, this record is officially closed.




    1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
    12 Rawson Street, Harrogate M.B., Yorkshire (West Riding)
    NAME DOB OCCUPATION
    Oswald C Allen 14 May 1883 Grocery Manager
    Margaret Allen 19 May 1884 Unpaid Domestic Duties
    Lilian Allen 16 Oct 1910 Elementary School Teacher


    Oswald Charles Allen
    Birth: April 1883
    Marriage: 1 Jun 1909, Harrogate, St Mark
    Spouse: Margaret Lilian Arnold

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  10. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE New Member

    My father served at No. 18 EFTS, Fairoaks, 1942-1944, and after several other postings, completed a tour at 419 Squadron. In his audio memoirs for November 4-5, 1944, dad records there was an He111 with a v-1 that was shot down in the bomber stream by F/O Marshall DFM, DFC who served with dad at Fairoaks. A review of 25 Squadron ORB, shows that Marshall served with this Squadron but was not operational that night. however a F/L A.E. Marshall did shoot down an He111 with V-1 on October 6,1944. dad was also operational hat night.

    Dad mentioned that Marshall served with him and that his photo is “In the Album. I’ve attached the photo, P/O Nelles on the left, and Marshall on the right. Marshall has a DFC ribbon as well as another one that I can’t identify. What is interesting, is “the books” don’t indicate Marshall serving at Fairoaks, and I Only have some ORBs for that station. In any event, ORBs for training command are typically quite sparse. I wonder if anyone can provide a positive identification for this individual.

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  11. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

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  12. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE New Member

    Thank you CL1. I am unclear if Dad’s photo of Marshall is a match for the fellow at Buckingham Palace. Thoughts? I wonder if it would be possible for “Nicks” to show that photo to Marshall’s family.

    Jim
     
  13. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    hello Jim
    I just covered up the hats and looked at the face
    To me they seem the same

    regards
    Clive
     
  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    At a guess I would say he has both DFC and a DFM if thats possible

    DFM
    Distinguished Flying Medal - Wikipedia
    It was the other ranks' equivalent to the Distinguished Flying Cross, which was awarded to commissioned officers and Warrant Officers, although the latter could also be awarded the DFM


    DFM Ribbon [​IMG]


    DFC Ribbon [​IMG]

    You would need to check out his record and promotions

    TD
     
  15. JDCAVE

    JDCAVE New Member

    Yes, Flight Lieutenant ALFRED ERNEST MARSHALL
    D F C, D F M, had both awards. The question I had is, can we verify the photo I have is of the same individual. Clive says they are. My dad only says they are, but he mentioned the incorrect rank.

    I am going through the available records to corroborate dad’s memoirs.

    Jim
     

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