First British trooper or "troops" into Germany ?

Discussion in 'NW Europe' started by Ramiles, Apr 24, 2015.

  1. LesEvansLlanelli

    LesEvansLlanelli Junior Member

    I have an official 1944 Christmas card with photo of of soldiers on tank. Heading under photo:

    Sherwood Rangers in Germany, September, 1944

    First British Troops to enter Germany were the Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry.
    They went in North of the Reichwald Forest, South of Arnhem.
     
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  2. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    :) (Love it! - any chance you could scan or camera photo it? - I'll have a look to see if there is one of these on google images too - with your description above - online)

    ;) Might be some doubts if "official 1944" is official enough here though ;) :D

    Ps.Interestingly I did find this: The Creully Club - Newsletter Which has a very nice (timely) pic of the victory parade in Bremerhaven May 12th 1945. (Not sure why google pics pointed to it but glad it did though!)

    Google pics: First British Troops to enter Germany were the Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry. They went in North of the Reichswald Forest, South of Arnhem. Christmas post card 1944 - Google Search
     
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  3. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Wondering if the picture here: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sherwoodtimes/mckay.gif

    From: Harold Larwood

    (About 60% of the way down the webpage)

    With quote "During the Arnhem operation the Rangers supported the 82nd U.S. Airborne Division and Captain McKay Reconnaissance's Group (SRY)(pictured right) were the first British troops to enter Germany - announced on the B.B.C. News."

    Is the one on the "Christmas 1944" postcard?

    I found this just now whilst researching - the events at Geilenkirchen - and the awarding of US medals to the SRY - which are the next item mentioned on there: Harold Larwood

    With quote "In support of the inexperienced 84th U.S. Division, the Rangers were first across the Seigfriend Line before the battle for the important town of Geilenkirchen (pictured right Umbrellas into battle for Holland : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sherwoodtimes/tank.gif ) which was tenaciously defended by the Germans. Some of the Regiment were put up for American decorations.
    To help the Americans combat the German counter-offensive through the Ardennes just prior to Christmas 1944, the Rangers joined in an attack on the Roer salient before fighting their way to the Rhine."

    Quite a small world actually ;) And everything seems to go round and around :Hydrogen:

    Rm.
     
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  4. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

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  5. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I knew I had this info somewhere, from ATB's OMG:

    Captain R Williams Troop of Q Battery, 21st Anti-Tank Regiment, Guards Armoured Division were sent to Wyler to support the 508th Regiment at 1400 hrs on the 20th September 1944 and on the way to them they crossed into Germany.

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    Now can we have more BEF related Q's please - all this NWE stuff is awfully easy to answer :P
     
  6. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

  7. Nijmegen

    Nijmegen Member

    :)
     
  8. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    Thanks guys and gals,

    Always happy to discuss the BEF :) (first into Belgium, last off the beaches?) - might make for some interesting posts (if not already discussed somewhere out there ;) ) - and if someone knows (which no doubt....) . It's a QI type question I guess.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Where_Eagles_Dare

    Has this completely fictional commando raid (by mostly British troops) in Bavaria in the winter of 1943–44.

    And I thought that there might even have been some (at least planned) sabotage raids, airdrops and even ideas of mini coastal invasions - perhaps sub based - off Germany (such as seizing some German islands) or assassinating some officials conducted by British SOE that might also come to light?

    I think that the "official" news of "troops into Germany" was broken to provide some needed relief, and a lot of the pics might have been slightly staged after the event.

    And it was and is intriguing to me - it's juxtaposition to the publicity for flag at Iwo after Feb 1945.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iwo_Jima#Battle_of_Iwo_Jima

    One of the first objectives after landing on the beachhead was the taking of Mount Suribachi. At the second raising of a flag on the peak, Joe Rosenthal photographed five Marines: Ira Hayes, Michael Strank, René Gagnon, Harlon Block, Franklin Sousley, and U.S. Navy corpsman John Bradley raising the United States flag on the fourth day of the battle (February 23). The photograph was extremely popular, being reprinted in thousands of publications. It won the Pulitzer Prize for Photography that same year, and ultimately came to be regarded as one of the most significant and recognizable images of the war, and possibly the most reproduced photograph of all time.

    And the film in post #10 was a joy, and I wonder what the reception to it was? All in a days work for some I guess.... :salut:

    All the best,

    Rm.
     
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  9. stolpi

    stolpi Well-Known Member

    Please note that at the time the Dutch/German border lay much further to the west than nowadays. The high ground of the Wyler Berg (aka Devills Hill) belonged to Germany. The Dutch/German Border at the time was situated on the eastern outskirts of Beek. After the war the Wyler Berg was annexed by the Dutch and, unlike other annexed parts of German territory, was never returned to Germany. The modern border is now hard west of Wyler.

    The map below gives the old WW2 border at Beek:

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    a. The X-roads location where the Stuart tanks meet the US Airbornes at Beek (Pathe reel at post # 10; at 00:05 and on) ;
    b. The border filmed in the Pathe film (post # 10; at 00:36 and on)
    c. the location of the parked Shermans of the Sherwood Rangers (picture post 24 # & road followed by Stuart in Pathe film at 00:23)
     
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    stolpi Well-Known Member

  11. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

    The Sherwood Rangers Yeomanry 1939-1945

    "Sad news today of the passing of Major Doug Nelson MM, Sherwood Rangers.
    Major Nelson served with the Sherwood Rangers throughout the war, with A Squadron and later with Recce Troop.
    He won his Military Medal in July 1944 in Normandy.
    His troop were famously the first British troops to enter Germany on 21st September 1944 during Operation Market Garden, east of Nijmegen.
    After the war he commanded A Squadron Sherwood Rangers in the 1950s.
    He passed away peacefully at aged 99.

    Our condolences to the Nelson family.
    Loyal unto Death
    ."

    doug Nelson.jpg
     
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  12. Ramiles

    Ramiles Researching 9th Lancers, 24th L and SRY

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