England, worth fighting for?

This is going to get people going. I was thinking if WW2 was to happen again, would I fight for my country? I decided I would not, because I don't see an England that my Grandfather saw where most people helped eachother out, people were friendly. I beleive if most people like me went to fight for England, most of us would die and England would be left to foreigners. How many of you would fight for it or fight for it again?

 

That saddens me... I have a great respect for today's young people, having been in charge of them for many years.

In my opinion the young men and women of today would be as good as their forebears...

This old great grand father would certainly turn out to fight again, if only he could stand on his own two feet. Dont sell the young people short.. They are still British, That begs the question: England? I would be fighting for Britian, for we came from all parts of the UK. my company was Welsh. My best mate that was killed was a Scot.

If you are not willing to fight for your Country? then you are failing all those that gave their lives, in some cases willingly for our own land and for the freedom you enjoy today.

Be proud of it, and never let it get taken away by anyone, at anytime.
It is Veterans Day on the 27th of June I shall stick my Union Jack on my car and celebrate this beautiful green land of ours...

My attitude is anyone is this.. anyone unwilling to fight for this our Country no matter who against...Has no place here, for this is a land of Fighting men.

There is an inscription over an Archway in Corfe Castle: it says in Dorset Dialect. "Dorset men do not shame their kind" Anyone that knows about the 43thrd Wessex Infantry Division will agree.
Sapper

 

This is going to get people going. I was thinking if WW2 was to happen again, would I fight for my country? I decided I would not, because I don't see an England that my Grandfather saw where most people helped eachother out, people were friendly. I beleive if most people like me went to fight for England, most of us would die and England would be left to foreigners. How many of you would fight for it or fight for it again?

Another emotive subject! And one that I feel extremely strongly about!

The short answer is, yes I would fight for England, my part of England: that is, those I love, my wife, parents, brother, friends, etc. However, I wholly agree that the England your grandfather fought for has long since gone. What does it mean to be English anymore? Most councils ban the flying of the Cross of St George flag, the English flag, on the grounds it is racist and will offend ethnic minorities. Yet those same councils are only too keen to approve the building of mosques in our city centres (at the last count there were 68), with scant consideration to the offence it might cause to the Christian majority! Double standards with a vengance!

Political correctness has eaten away at the very fibre of our society: we have a whole generation of children - tomorrow's parents, politicians, etc - brought up with zero discipline either at school or at home, whose only credo is, "me, me, me"! We have convicted killers released from prision because to keep them there would be a violation of their "human rights", and we have immigrants, illegal or otherwise, who seem to think it the duty of the indigenous English speaking population to learn their language and adapt to their ways, rather than the other way around! The minority they may be at the moment, but an ever more voiciferous and growing one. If sanity and a sense of national identity dosen't prevail, then just how long will it be before English is a minority language in this country and the Islamic flag flies over England's cities?

Lest I be accused of racial intolerance, let me state I think the cosmopolitan nature of human kind is a thing to be celebrated, and I abhor violent, race motivated attacks. But we have gone too far down the other road, bending to the influence of liberals and activists and subjugating our national identity to the polygot cultural influences now rife in our country, because we are terrified of "offending" the minorities - the same minorities who, so often, attack our way of doing things while similtaneously enjoying everything we have to offer. Surely, that can't be right?

The world has gone mad, but I would still fight for the England I love.

 

I say England, instead of Britain because I believe I am English as it seems to easy to become British now. I know it's sad and I hate to speak the way I do, but for example (i know this example is weak but please read on), when England plays a football or cricket match, those who call them British suddenly jump ship and are supporting a team from which their grandparents/parents where from. There is nothing wrong with that but I am pretty sure if England went to war with one of those country's, it would not be Britain/England's side they would be on. I do not intend to offend Irish/Welsh/Scottish people. Going back to a point adam made, I used to see Churches on the skyline, from my house in all directions, all I see is Islamic buildings. And I am trying to figure out how these people can visit these places so many times in the day. My employer would not let me visit a church, assuming they are working?!? Another thing, round my way pretty much all us lot feel the same way I do. We are the minority here, and our shopping centre looks like an Iraqi market place. Sometimes I wonder which country I really am in.

 

My two penn'orth?
I'm English to the bone. I don't see myself as British, never have done. My family are listed in the Domesday Book, and we've only just lost the farm last year in which we are listed. So I am English!
Would i fight for my country? Damn right I would! I don't like the way it is going at the moment with bleeding heart liberals in charge, and cowtowing to minority groups whilst not being allowed to celebrate my own ancestry, but I can see the backlash on that one coming. It's only a matter of time.
As to fighting. If there was another world war in which my country and my home were in danger, and it needed every able bodied individual to fight for it, then give me a gun or put me in a bomber, because i would fight. I would be scared out of my mind, but if that was what it took to protect me and mine, then so be it.
After getting to know so many WW2 veterans, and learning about what my grandmother did during the war, then i would never back down as I would never be able to look them in the face if i did. My family has always bred fighters, and so be it.
As to my generation? Many of those i am at Uni with would probably fight for a just reason, but many of those i see at college (FE's 16 - 18yro) would probably squawk about infringment of human rights to avoid fighting. I am sorry Sapper, but i see the worst everyday. But i also see the best.
So give me a gun and give me a target, because i am ready to fight if needs be.
Militant Kitty.

 

This is going to get people going. I was thinking if WW2 was to happen again, would I fight for my country? I decided I would not, because I don't see an England that my Grandfather saw where most people helped eachother out, people were friendly. I beleive if most people like me went to fight for England, most of us would die and England would be left to foreigners. How many of you would fight for it or fight for it again?

so.

you fight you die the country is left to foreingners

you dont fight and everybody else dies the country is still left to foreigners?

what is the point to this thread?

 

The point was to see other opinions and how they see England/Britain today, and would they fight for it. See start of thread.

 

so.
you fight you die the country is left to foreingners
you dont fight and everybody else dies the country is still left to foreigners?
what is the point to this thread?
Despite the state of the country at present, would you still fight to protect the land of your birth. So what about you Nick?

 

This is going to get people going. I was thinking if WW2 was to happen again, would I fight for my country? I decided I would not, because I don't see an England that my Grandfather saw where most people helped eachother out, people were friendly. I beleive if most people like me went to fight for England, most of us would die and England would be left to foreigners. How many of you would fight for it or fight for it again?

Hmmmmmm.
Under the same conditions?
Like, Nazis rise again?
I would fight and die for England, as a proud Canadian.

 

I guess a lot of it is to do with where you live in the country too. If you live in the country side and you don't run into to many mosques and you don't grow up hearing "Kill whitey" every 5 minutes, then I guess you don't really see a problem. I feel that past generations were nice enough to accomadate these people, and then suddenly they group together to attack us. Just my opinion. Do with it what you will.

Viper: I like the cat LOL

 

I guess a lot of it is to do with where you live in the country too. If you live in the country side and you don't run into to many mosques and you don't grow up hearing "Kill whitey" every 5 minutes, then I guess you don't really see a problem. I feel that past generations were nice enough to accomadate these people, and then suddenly they group together to attack us. Just my opinion. Do with it what you will.

Viper: I like the cat LOL
I love that cat!
Right, i live in a market town in Cheshire. We have lot sof trouble with illegal immigrants from E Europe. The nearest Mosque is in Stoke-on-Trent about 20 mins away. Let us say MI5 are watching it very closely, shall we? They have made a single convert in Congleton to radical Islam, who is now ranting at others about our evil western way (which is al augh, seeign as he's english) and trying to convert others. He tried it on a WW2 vet i know, who listened him out, then retaliated, in Arabian, and quoted the entire Koran at him which he studied whilst out in the desert and then the Far East. Said eejit then sent out an Imam from the mosque to try and argue with him, and the Vet shot down the Imam whilst arguing in Arabian which he learnt 60 years before.
This is the reason why I would fight, to protect people like the Veteran.

 

It's good to hear the feedback, it's something I don't get to hear much of around here anymore. Especially the words from Sapper, made me rethink my whole perspective on things. Think it's time to move away from the area I'm in.

 

Despite the state of the country at present, would you still fight to protect the land of your birth. So what about you Nick?

With all due respect i cant believe this question is even being asked, im no warrior but of course i would.

Unlike some i would die to protect my family,my wife and English soil.

 

I guess a lot of it is to do with where you live in the country too. If you live in the country side and you don't run into to many mosques and you don't grow up hearing "Kill whitey" every 5 minutes, then I guess you don't really see a problem. I feel that past generations were nice enough to accomadate these people, and then suddenly they group together to attack us. Just my opinion. Do with it what you will.

Viper: I like the cat LOL

I agree with you entirely, Cynic. Whilst there are all sorts of reasons for the various ethnic peoples now in our country, some of it do with the legacy of British imperialism, much of it to do with post-war economic policy, the fact remains that many English people now feel like a minority in their own country. Although where I live on the south coast, the situation is not as pronounced as it is in other areas of the country, in my work I can look up addresses all over the UK, and I can tell you there are vast swathes of London and Birmingham, Manchester and Bradford (to name but four major UK conurbations), whole neighbourhoods, whole streets, occupied by ethnic minorities. Thus where leafy Carlisle Avenue, or Elm Tree Crescent, were once occupied by the Smiths, and Grenvilles, and Hamiltons, et al. they are now occupied by people with oft unpronounceable surnames...!

Moreover, in the last week alone, I have been asked four times on the telephone if I speak either Urdu or Bengali!!!? Fully fifty percent of the customers my company deals with are the ethnic parents of newly born babies, seeking to make use of the £250.00 voucher the Brtitish Government has gifted them to start a trust fund for their child's future. Of course, British parents receive the same voucher, but the increased burden on you and I - the taxpayer - as a result of the goverment's generosity to people without a British birthright, is astonishing.

I am sorry, but my attitiude is - and will remain - if you come to this country, at least have the good manners to learn the language instead of forming your own tight neighbourhood cliques and bad mouthing your host nation, while similtaneously expecting them to make provision especially for you! It's not the PC thing to say, but it's PC that's largely to blame for this situation anyway...

 

I love that cat!
Right, i live in a market town in Cheshire. We have lot sof trouble with illegal immigrants from E Europe. The nearest Mosque is in Stoke-on-Trent about 20 mins away. Let us say MI5 are watching it very closely, shall we? They have made a single convert in Congleton to radical Islam, who is now ranting at others about our evil western way (which is al augh, seeign as he's english) and trying to convert others. He tried it on a WW2 vet i know, who listened him out, then retaliated, in Arabian, and quoted the entire Koran at him which he studied whilst out in the desert and then the Far East. Said eejit then sent out an Imam from the mosque to try and argue with him, and the Vet shot down the Imam whilst arguing in Arabian which he learnt 60 years before.
This is the reason why I would fight, to protect people like the Veteran.

Great story - I love it!

 

I tend to agree with most of the replies to this post.
My father was killed fighting for the freedom of this country in 1942. I would do the same.

Just a little example of the system we have at the moment. A couple of years ago I attended the day operating theatre at Ascot hospital Berkshire for a minor operation, I was asked to fill in a form whch asked for my nationality, I wrote English in the answer box and was told that as it was not on the list of answers I was not permited to do that, I was told that I had to put British. I am not ashamed to be called British but I was born in the city of Stoke on Trent which is in Staffordshire, which is in turn in England, I believe that makes me English. My reply is unprintable.

Peter

 

This is Daily-Mail-reading paranoid s**t about mosques as far as the eye can see. What the hell has any of that got to do with fighting for England?
The Indian army?
The Ghurkas?
Do they ring any bells? I could suggest more.
I've lived in Leicester for years, have any of you people actually got any Indian, Pakistani, Moslem, sikh, Hindu etc. etc. etc. friends? Suspect not with those minds closed like steel traps. Feel free to follow the Mail-mind, switch off your brains and make any problems of difference worse by unthinkingly equating peoples colour or religion with terrorism or disloyalty to this country. I'm not keen on Multiculturalism either but will all this whinging above make things any better?
We seem to like moaning in this country, fair enough but let's not present it as fact. Maybe keep it to the bus-stops, those centres of complaining old dears.


So back to the question 'would I fight for this country?'... I hope I would if I ever had to. I hope I'll never find out. But I also hope I wouldn't stand around with my hands in my pockets blaming everyone else for any problems with this Lovely old 'Green and pleasant land', and I'd rather have my mate Sunni in the foxholes with me (who cheers for India at Cricket...So what?) who loves this country his parents fled to more than many whinging 'pure-bred' poms who make a hobby of looking for the worst.

Cue Jerusalem.
Rant ends.

Well, Von poop, my old mate - you are a rarer and luckier creature than the rest of us to have such a bosom buddy as Sunni. Last time I stepped foot in a new pub in north London, I was the only non-Asian face in it (togeher with my Dad, whose jaw dropped to the floor in astonishment), and their stares didn't exactly radiate an invitation to get acquainted, know what I mean?

Personally, I always guard against regurgitating the tabloid slant on current events, preferring to rely on my personal experience, but when even the dear old beeb reports earnestly on the incitements to riot by certain esteemed islamic clerics, I sit up and take note! My gorge rises when I think that those same people came into the country without invitation, then we are supposed to sit meekly by without comment while they rubbish the British system and way of life and demand - demand, mind you - change! Perversely, it may be a very British thing to do nothing, but it is this very meekness that allows such factions to flourish. Christ, what did we fight WW2 for if it wasn't to live as we saw fit, not as some nefarious Islamic fundamentalists would have us? Even the Nazis respected the British way of life, its morality, its standards - it's Britishness!

Of course, we must guard against tarring all non white, non christians in this country with the same brush. I, for one, certainly do not believe those that fall outside that demographic are all potential terrorists. But even the least assertive of their number are given rights and privilleges by the British government denied its indigenous population. Do you think the rest of us would be granted five slots in the day by our employers to stop work and go pray to our God? But the law enshrines their right to do so. And if I was a woman applying for a driving licence, as a Christian would I be permitted to cover my face with a veil on the phtograph? And if I wanted to build a Cathedral in the heart of Leeds or Manchester, do you think I'd be able to do so without objections from minority factions or do good councillors? I doubt it!

I am not trying to do down the immigrant populations, merely uphold the rights of the indigenous people - in a nutshell, reverse the erosion of our own cultural liberties that have for too long been set aside for fear of upsetting people who weren't born here and, in many cases, weren't invited. Is that so wrong?

P.S. We are all aware of the contributions made by the Indian Army and the Ghurkas, and others. I refer you back to one of my previous statements that the current situation has much to do with the legacy of British Imperialism and post war economic policy. Recognising their contribution, however, does not provide anyone with a mandate to swamp our culture with their own.

 

Now that. I would agree, Is PC balls of the worst order. I put 'English' on everything.

And Adam, The significant point is that 99.99% of the people from 'other' communities I know also abhor and despise the kind of 'squeaky wheel' special treatment that ranting fundamentalists and loony councillors demand, they use the same language as you do about it. They on the whole just want to get on with it, trying to be positive rather than constantly looking for someone to blame. In many ways the more traditional 'asian' families are astonishingly 'British' in their outlook in a rather charmingly old fashioned way. They understand tradition and respect more than the chavvy losers that hang around outside my local shops.

I do not seek to aportion blame; I merely made a social observation. The causes of our current demography are complex and varied, and open to debate, but I think it falls outside the scope of these forums.