Pretty sure that's him TD. The ship was attacked near St Govern's Light Vessel but she made port on 27th [Milford Haven] his death may have been registered there. Regards Hugh
It looks like CAB66/15 is correct and there were no casualties in the attack on KARANAN. Captain Groenhof, master of KARANAN in his report stated: "The number of crew, including 2 Military Gunners and myself, was 11 and there were no casualties - looks like another Lloyd's blunder. Regards Hugh
Friday 6th September 1941 CAMPBELL, David M. Gunner, RA 1439107 (7/4 Maritime Regt), killed [PAISLEY (HAWKHEAD) CEMETERY] Lost on this date. Only possible shipping event I can identify is tanker Stanmount which was damaged by an air attack in the North Sea. So was he killed in this attack or was his death due to an accident/illness? Any ideas? Regards, Steve
Steve, There appear to be no losses during the bombing of STANMOUNT. Only have his cemetery details in my database as per below: PAISLEY (HAWKHEAD) CEMETERY, United Kingdom CAMPBELL, Gunner, DAVID McA., 1439107, 7 Bty., 4 A.A.Maritime Regt, Royal Artillery. 6 September 1941. Age 19. Son of John and Sarah Campbell, of Paisley. Grave Ref. Sec. P. Grave 630. Below attached suggests he died rather than was killed. I don't think he died at sea. Regards Hugh
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945 Name: David Campbell Given Initials: D A Rank: Gunner Death Date: 6 Sep 1941 Number: 1439107 Birth Place: Paisley Residence: Paisley Regiment at Enlistment: Royal Artillery Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery Theatre of War: United Kingdom Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery Branch at Death: Royal Artillery UK and Ireland, Find a Grave Index, 1300s-Current Name: David McA Campbell Death Date: 6 Sep 1941 Cemetery: Hawkhead Cemetery Burial or Cremation Place: Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland Has Bio?: N If lost at sea the Roll of Honour usually states as Theatre of War - 'Lost at sea', plus I would guess its difficult to bury or cremate someone if you dont have the body, which of course is still possible if lost at sea Also there is only 1 Campbell mentioned on the CWGC database for Sep 1941 but that was on 26th
Tuesday 23rd September 1941 MCKAY, Ronald, Gunner, RA (1/1 Maritime Regt), 2824966, killed [PoM] RUBERY, Frederick, Gunner, RA (1/1 Maritime Regt), 7045885, killed [PoM] WO166/3387 lists Gnr McKay as an accidental death, but doesn't have an entry for Gnr Rubery. I see coaster Arawak was lost due to a fire on this date. Did this incident result in the loss of any gunners or were their deaths related to different separate incidents? Any ideas? Regards, Steve
UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 Name: Ronald McKay Event: Death Death Date: 23 Sep 1941 Death Place: S. S Glenwood At Sea. Ship: Army and Air Force Personnel States - drowned
UK, Army Roll of Honour, 1939-1945 Name: Frederick Rubery Given Initials: F Rank: Gunner Death Date: 23 Sep 1941 Number: 7045885 Birth Place: Worcestershire Residence: Worcestershire Branch at Enlistment: Royal Artillery Theatre of War: At sea Regiment at Death: Royal Artillery Branch at Death: Royal Artillery
Thanks, I've now seen that Gunner Rubery was lost in the sinking of St Clair II (on the 24th September). Regards, Steve
Steve, just to confirm. McKAY, Gunner, RONALD, 2824966, 1/1 Maritime Regt., Royal Artillery. (ss GLENWOOD) 23 September 1941. Age 25. Son of Mr. and Mrs. John McKay, of Paisley, Renfrewshire. Panel 61, Column 2. – I have him listed as accidentally drowned, Santiago De Cuba, between 11pm 21 September and 1am 22 September 1941. RUBERY, Gunner, FREDERICK, 7045885, 1/1 Maritime Regt., Royal Artillery. (ss ST. CLAIR II) 23 September 1941. Age 29. Son of Thomas and Sarah Rubery, of Stourbridge, Worcestershire. Panel 61, Column 2. Regards Hugh
Listed in WO166/3387 as prisoners of war. Noted as their capture being reported on 6th April 1941, so lost in the days/weeks before this date. Pte James ROSS (3194748) Pte W. WOOD (3194807) Pte Jack VERNON (3456272) Pte John VARLEY (3777304) Pte Jack GARSIDE (3460640) Pte Clifford WRIGHT (3777307) L/Bdr Harry HOWARTH (1544193) Gnr W.G. CITRINE (1543491) Gnr John M. NAYLOR (1522189) Gnr Martin MURPHY (1599156) Gnr Thomas NIXON (1523197) Gnr R. SCULLY (3449978) Any ideas? Regards, Steve
UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947Name: James Ross Gender: Male Age: 27 Birth Date: abt 1914 Death Date: 16 Mar 1941 Cemetery: Naval Memorials In The United Kingdom Plymouth Part VIII Burial Country: England Regimental Number: 3194748 Region or Memorial: Memorial Register Father: Hugh Ross Mother: Jane Ross No POW details either so might be worth you checking CWGC to see who is on there or not Name: Walter Christie Wood Gender: Male Age: 26 Birth Date: abt 1915 Death Date: 16 Mar 1941 Cemetery: Naval Memorials In The United Kingdom Plymouth Part X Burial Country: England Regimental Number: 3194807 Region or Memorial: Memorial Register Other Records: I'll leave the rest to you
Listed in WO166/3387 as prisoners of war. Noted as their capture being reported on 6th April 1941, so lost in the days/weeks before this date. I've checked CWGC and none have a listing, so all appear to have survived the war. Fus Jack VERNON (3456272) Pte John VARLEY (3777304) Pte Jack GARSIDE (3460640) Pte Clifford WRIGHT (3777307) L/Bdr Harry HOWARTH (1544193) Gnr W.G. CITRINE (1543491) Gnr John M. NAYLOR (1522189) Gnr Martin MURPHY (1599156) Gnr Thomas NIXON (1523197) Gnr R. SCULLY (3449978) Any ideas? Regards, Steve
Looking at Vernon are you 100% sure of his service number - UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947 Name: Hector Westwell Gender: Male Death Date: 5 Aug 1943 Cemetery: Catania War Cemetery It. 2 Burial Country: Italy Regimental Number: 3456272 Region or Memorial: Italy
UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945 Name: J Varley Rank: Private Army Number: 3777304 Regiment: The King's Regiment Camp Type: Marlag Und Milag Nord Camp Number: Marlag und Milag Nord Camp Location: Westertimke, Lower Saxony Record Office: Infantry Record Office, The Public Hall, Lune Street, Preston, Lancashire Record Office Number: 18 UK, World War II Allied Prisoners of War, 1939-1945 Name: J. Varley Rank: Pte. Military Date: 1939-1945 Regiment: Kings Service Number: 3777304 Name: J. Varley Rank: Pte. Military Date: 1939-1945 Regiment: Kings Service Number: 3777304
There are 3 Jack Vernon I have found UK, World War II Royal Artillery Tracer Cards, 1939-1948 Name: Jack Ralph Vernon Enlistment Date: 30 Sep 1940 Regiment: Royal Artillery Military Unit: Searchlight Service Number: 1698569 He survived the war and was never captured and Name: Jack Vernon Enlistment Date: 5 Jun 1947 Regiment: Royal Artillery Military Unit: General Service Corps Service Number: 19177538 He also survived the war and was never a POW and UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947 Name: Jack Vernon Gender: Male Death Date: 1 Jul 1942 Cemetery: Naval Memorials United Kingdom Part X Burial Country: England Regimental Number: P/JX 275045 Region or Memorial: Memorial Register
The last one was a DEMS gunner (HMS President III), he was lost when Marilyse Moller was sunk on 1st July 1942. Regards, Steve