Churchill a myth?

Discussion in 'General' started by Slipdigit, Feb 4, 2008.

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Was Winston Churchill 'real' ?

  1. Yes.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. No.

    71.7%
  3. I do not understand the question.

    6.5%
  4. I am a UKTV watching under 20 year old and refuse to believe in the existence of anybody.

    21.7%
  1. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    what,was that aimed at me chris.yours,lee.
     
  2. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    well vp,that is my nans opinion of churchill and bevan.she was working in copenacre underground arms factory,near corsham,wiltshire.yours,4th wilts.
     
  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    With the home labour aspect of munitions work I wonder if some confusion has crept in between Bevan & Bevin... Annoyingly similar names in pronunciation, and contemporaries, but very different figures.
     
  4. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    i do not know,but i will ask her tomorrow,but that site at copenacre is a huge expance,they built vast amounts of aircraft engines,munitions etc.oops im off thread again,needless to say i lived in chippenham,4 miles away,but i know of 2 exits there.bloody huge place that copenacre is.yours,4th wilts.
     
  5. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Oh Donnie.....ask ME a question about another historical topic.....I can field questions from all aspects of history, and from most periods. SERIOUS study of MILITARISM through the ages demands knowledge from EVERY historical period, and from topics as diverse as economics, industrial technology, politics, social sciences of all types, psychology, methodology, strategy and tactics....the list goes on....all these are combined when you study any period in MILITARY HISTORY, making it the most difficult field of all to publish in, and therefore to say something truly different and worthwhile. My utter contempt for todays airheaded kids knows no bounds, trashing the sacrifices of their progenitors as 'in the past and pointless to be knowledgeable about"....

    Shame on all of these kids, reducing the ultimate sacrifice of many veterans to nothingness with their self-centered attitudes. It makes my blood boil to think that they walk around enjoying a very modern lifestyle with all the gadgets on the backs and bones of many un-selfish men and women....

    PUNKS.....................
    Wow!! you're sorta tarnishing everyone with the same brush there arent you?? Whilst I agree with you that the subject of history is not as popular as it used to be there are many teenagers who do know about this stuff. Not everyone of today's generation is airheaded. Not everyone wants to know about Military History nor should they be expected to. There are many of people my age and older who have no interest in History but yet are knowledgable in many other fields.

    I work in an Educational institute. The kids that are there are like any other generation, there are lazy people, there are people who are complete geniuses and there are the majority who are in between. There are students here who excel in the fields of Science,m engineering and business and many have little knowledge about the events of 63 years ago. Given that I have an interest it doesnt make me a better person because I know about it nor does it make you any better either.
     
  6. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    BELIEF.....the essential problem, and something that should be based on EVIDENCE rather than FAITH. This is the problem with religion of all kinds, relying as it does on FAITH, and not coming up with any evidence to support claims for MIRACLES, nor even for the very existence of "God" itself........we are simply asked to 'rely' on faith...luckey we don't build bridges or other large scale constructions in this day and age on FAITH that these structures will stand freely....we must 'proove' as such before construction can begin.......Yes....I AM an athiest.....If the Supreme Being exists, bring on the proof!.....FAITH is for those that need to cling to something....or for unfortunates trapped in situations out of their hands where they will pay the price for the decisions of others....

    They do say that "there are no Athiests in Foxholes"......I say unto those look at George Clooney in "Brother Where Art Thou"....on his knees and praying for a 'miracle' to save from being hanged, when he is saved by the onrushing waters he immediately reverts to his Atheism, telling his companion not to be so ridiculous as to believe that the Almighty had anything whatsoever to do with his survival...."YEP!", he says, "The South is changing!"..........

    There stand I.....................love that film and the wonderful period music. I often put the soundtrack on for it's simplicity.....
     
  7. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    I have not suggested it makes me better or worse....you just did.....and at their age, I used to READ everything I could lay my hands on, rather than sit and watch the world go by. That doesn't make me better....just informed....

    WHO Controls the past, controls the future......
     
  8. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    but i like contact,the film with jodie foster.she is asked to prove she loved her dead father,alas she could not.off thread here,sorry mr moderater,webmastor reed.yours,lee.
     
  9. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    Once more, this site and the great people involved here confirm my belief that knowledge is POWER....and acknowledgement is EMPOWERMENT......

    I suppose these kids look at a film like "300" and believe that Rhino's can be trained for war, or that Elephants were present at Thermopolye, or that Persian Immortals were mutants with filed teeth.....HOLLYWOODISM.....BAH!
     
  10. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I have not suggested it makes me better or worse....you just did.....and at their age, I used to READ everything I could lay my hands on, rather than sit and watch the world go by. That doesn't make me better....just informed....

    WHO Controls the past, controls the future......
    What is staggering is your assumption that todays generation is sitting and watching the world go by. "To assume is to make an ASS of U and ME"!! Today's generation are not all bad or ill-informed or ignorant. You will note that I have used the word ALL in there as I wont make such a sweeping generalisation. As a SERIOUS student of history you should know that this might not be the best way of approaching this.
     
  11. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Once more, this site and the great people involved here confirm my belief that knowledge is POWER....and acknowledgement is EMPOWERMENT......

    I suppose these kids look at a film like "300" and believe that Rhino's can be trained for war, or that Elephants were present at Thermopolye, or that Persian Immortals were mutants with filed teeth.....HOLLYWOODISM.....BAH!
    You know that this is based on a comic book and not on history right?? Of course you did and you are only joking!!
     
  12. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    Just as an experiment, I invite these wonderful kids to philosophise on any given subject......lets see how truly 'open' their minds are....I bet most can't come up with anything worthwhile.....I am no genius, with a very average IQ and a record at school no better or worse than most students. MEMORY is the key, and it's something you must feed and train. The mind is like any muscle, and must be exercised to get results from it. Most kids I run into are only interested in exercising their genitalia, or watching soap operas and concerning themselves with the lives and loves of individuals that exist only as characters in a story. If peiople honestly think this amounts to anything worthwhile in the wider scheme of things, good luck I say! In 50 years we won't even remember people like Kylie Minogue, but we will be talking about Alexander of Macedon and Julius Caesar for eons to come! To me, the Battle of Guagamela happened only so many thousand days ago, and we are still coping with the ripples on the pond. Most of the famous 'personalities' have nothing more to offer humanity than a great posterior!....and these modern kids elevate them to the status of living Gods!........SHAME!
     
  13. marcus69x

    marcus69x I love WW2 meah!!!

    I voted 'NO'. Just because I think it's so silly. It doesn't surprise me though. The kids of today are too busy with their Xbox's and Playstations to care about WW2 and Mr Churchill.I read an article in the paper the other day abou the lack of kids history knowledge. It said that if you ask most kids of today what happened between 1939 and 1945 they're more likely to say they don't know because it was the ad break rather than WW2. I bet the article is not too far from the truth either.Marcus
     
  14. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    It is indeed a very silly poll.
    I bolted it on after the fact, purely because I was tired of seeing the Budweiser one on the portal every day. ;)
     
  15. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    In 50 years we won't even remember people like Kylie Minogue, but we will be talking about Alexander of Macedon and Julius Caesar for eons to come!
    :lol::lol: History is not the be all and end all of life Christos!!! In 50 years it will be the people you scorn who will be talking about Caesar and Alexander!! People have different perceptions of what is important and what isnt. you happen to think its history, so do I. I know many people who laugh at the idea of being so interested in history. They feel the same way about Business and spend all day making lots of money! Nothing wrong with that. As for Kylie Minogue - well she's not all that bad. As a lover of 80's music she has her good points too. And she's a very successful businesswoman and artist. Might not be you're cup of tea but what gives you the right to judge her? History will judge Ms. Minogue kindly!!
     
  16. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    Paris Hilton...........theres an example of a modern Goddess whose contribution amounts to nothing, and is widely recognized as "famous for being famous". What a pointless existence! I work in the food industry, cutting beef for idiots like her, and busting my gut so she can walk about, wiggle her butt and be 'famous' for doing nothing at all!.......Bring back Winston Churchill from the realms of fantasy! BURY people like her for the wastes of space that they are!....and young girls use this retarded fool as an example to live their life by?......Why aren't educational institutions pointing this essential fact out?

    Andy Warhol put it best, when he said that "in the future, everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes".....think of what he was REALLY saying....not that we would all be famous, but, that we would have our moment in the sun and then LIVE IN OBSCURITY for the rest of our lives. Great philosophy from another famously useless individual.........and the only thing that endears him to anybody.....I certainly don't wish to be lumped in the same category as people like that, however obscure I may remain.....others that do are really only jealous of the MONEY....ask any of your beautiful girly students if they intend to actually work in this life, or if they wan't to be 'famous' for the wigglyness of their norks!.....most will answer the former....what they don't realize is that we can't all be rich, and most will have to work like Trojans to achieve anything at all in the way of lifestyle.....will THEY be EVER asked to sacrifice anything of their lives to guarantee the great lifestyle they all enjoy?...lets hope not!.....sort of makes the veterans GODLIKE, doesn't it!
     
  17. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Paris Hilton...........theres an example of a modern Goddess whose contribution amounts to nothing, and is widely recognized as "famous for being famous". What a pointless existence! I work in the food industry, cutting beef for idiots like her, and busting my gut so she can walk about, wiggle her butt and be 'famous' for doing nothing at all!.......Bring back Winston Churchill from the realms of fantasy! BURY people like her for the wastes of space that they are!....and young girls use this retarded fool as an example to live their life by?......Why aren't educational institutions pointing this essential fact out?

    Andy Warhol put it best, when he said that "in the future, everyone will be famous for fifteen minutes".....think of what he was REALLY saying....not that we would all be famous, but, that we would have our moment in the sun and then LIVE IN OBSCURITY for the rest of our lives. Great philosophy from another famously useless individual.........and the only thing that endears him to anybody.....I certainly don't wish to be lumped in the same category as people like that, however obscure I may remain.....others that do are really only jealous of the MONEY....ask any of your beautiful girly students if they intend to actually work in this life, or if they wan't to be 'famous' for the wigglyness of their norks!.....most will answer the former....what they don't realize is that we can't all be rich, and most will have to work like Trojans to achieve anything at all in the way of lifestyle.....will THEY be EVER asked to sacrifice anything of their lives to guarantee the great lifestyle they all enjoy?...lets hope not!.....sort of makes the veterans GODLIKE, doesn't it!
    Now now, jealousy will get you nowhere. :lol:
     
  18. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Well I can hardly tell the difference.

    Kylie
    Alexander

    Hope that helps :).
     
  19. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    Kylie is not a bussinesswoman....she is an entertainer!....Her fortune is based on her looks alone, and without the modern gadgets, her voice would not be worth anything!...As I say, elevate people like Churchill to the status they deserve, and bury people like her as "just another nice bum"....Churchill was UNIQUE...people like Minogue are 'dime a dozen'......One only has to go to the local Bordello to see that!

    I LOVE beautiful women, and I think they have a role to play in our society, but why elevate them into something that they are not....UNIQUE...William Manchester's father, a great war vet, always said that "actors are bums".....how's THAT for philosophizing!.....Quite deep when you truly think about it!
     
  20. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    UH UH....don't tar me as JEALOUS....If I want a beatiful woman, I only have to throw money around a bar.....Fame and fortune are not for the likes of me!....No jealousy involved......Just BURY HER and RESURRECT those that make true contributions...rather than putting them up on a pedastal for having something you can really find in most cities.....MINOGUE..HILTON...DIME A DOZEN...CHURCHILL=UNIQUE, never to be repeated....says it all...and not a TRACE of jealousy....I LOVE the boasting rights my man's job gives me, and would not have it any other way....I own my own car and will pay my house of to owe nothing on it in the next three years....thats enough for me....I can then spend the rest of my days working, vcontributing, writing history and [Phrase edited out by VP] It's my boat, and I will row it, but don't elevate something from people like her as being anything unique.....no more unique than I am....so there
     

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