Can anyone help here please. A Canadian WW1 Casualty

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  1. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

  2. nedrutland

    nedrutland Junior Member

  3. Vitesse

    Vitesse Senior Member

  4. Bazooka Joe

    Bazooka Joe Member

  5. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

  6. Jonathan Ball

    Jonathan Ball It's a way of life.

  7. nedrutland

    nedrutland Junior Member

    (But DoB is 8 April 1877 whereas CWGC gives age as 47 at death in 1917; right Regimental number though)
     
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  8. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Cheers everybody i was just haveing a thick moment now i see it is easy :huh:

    Regards Michael.
     
  9. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Having a quick look at the 'Free BMD' website, there was the birth of an Arthur James Kidd registered in the Cockermouth district for the June 1877 Qtr (which also covers Keswick, Maryport, etc as well as Cockermouth). Cross referencing to the information on the Attestation Papers that Jonathan has posted, my feeling would be it is the same fellow.

    Many of the 'ages' for WW1 service personnel are a fallacy. Thus, the official age on the WW1 CWGC citations are sometimes incorrect.

    According to the Attestation Papers I see that Pte. Kidd claims to have been born at Keswick (which as referred to previously is in the Cockermouth registration district). However, having previously researched the war dead for Keswick & District I can see he is not commemorated on the Keswick War Memorial nor the Crosthwaite Parish War Memorial (covering some of the nearby villages such as Portinscale). He also claims to be a member of the Church of England so his baptism record should be in one of the Anglican parish churches in the Keswick / Cockermouth area.
     
  10. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Just looked in Ancestry and yes he was born in Keswick 1877.
    Jos he went to St.Bees school has a Boarder.
    Can't find him in 1911 wonder if he emigrated to Canada ?
     
  11. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Just looked in Ancestry and yes he was born in Keswick 1877.
    Jos he went to St.Bees school has a Boarder.
    Can't find him in 1911 wonder if he emigrated to Canada ?

    I have sent you a PM regarding this fellow and his family, regarding their connection to Keswick & Crosthwaite parish. It looks to me like he should probably have been on both the Crosthwaite Parish War Memorial and the Keswick War Memorial. By the time these were being dedicated the surviving family would seem to have moved elsewhere - the nearest being the sister he gives as NOK living at Cockermouth. She has likely submitted his name for inclusion on the Cockermouth memorial and that is why he is listed on there.

    There is a 'Roll of Honour' for the war dead from WW1 who attended St Bees School. For many of these there is a photograph and a brief biography. I am fairly sure there is a copy in the County Archives and presumably the school will have a copy. If you have the time you might try and see if either of these places have anything on this fellow.
     
  12. canuck

    canuck Closed Account

    Only 5'6" tall and 140lbs. How difficult it must have been for those men of small stature to stand up to conditions in the trenches.
    He was killed on the same day that my great uncle was severely wounded by shell fire. That was the first day of the Third Battle of the Scarpe.
     
  13. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Only 5'6" tall and 140lbs. How difficult it must have been for those men of small stature to stand up to conditions in the trenches.
    He was killed on the same day that my great uncle was severely wounded by shell fire. That was the first day of the Third Battle of the Scarpe.


    Cheers i will look up the Battle of the Scarpe and have a read on it.

    Regards Michael.

    Edit. Really need to check my details sorry.
     
  14. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    Private Arthur James Kidd:
    Born 8 April 1877
    Died 3 May 1917

    Private Kidd's true age when he died would seem to have been 40 (assuming everyone accepts the D.O.B. to be correct?).

    As the D.O.B. is also on the attestation papers it looks like the CWGC record making him 47 is incorrect. You should make a written note of the discrepancy when you publish your findings.

    It seems to be going OK.
     
  15. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member Patron

    I have just located the circumstances of Casualty record on Ancestry for Arthur, he was previously reported missing now for official purposes preseumed to have died
    . The Location of the unit at the time of casualty given as attack north of Fresnoy
    .

    I have also located two possible entries to Canada:

    1.Name:Arthur James Kidd
    Gender:Male
    Age:30
    Estimated Birth Year:abt 1880
    Date of Arrival:13 Aug 1910
    Vessel:Megantic
    his intended occupation being Railway Fireman, and his previous occupation stableman.

    2.Name:Arthur Kidd
    Gender:Male
    Age:30
    Estimated Birth Year:abt 1879
    Date of Arrival:20 Mar 1909
    Vessel:Empress of Britain
    Occupation being given as Labourer.

    I haven't located him as yet in the 1911 Census of Canada or 1916 Canada Census of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta.
     
  16. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    Thanks for this Mark much appreciated.
    Can you look up Canada war graves Register and Canadians who died in the great war ?

    This is what i have so far.

    Regards Michael.
     

    Attached Files:

  17. Wills

    Wills Very Senior Member

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  18. BFBSM

    BFBSM Very Senior Member Patron

    Images from the Canada, CEF Commonwealth War Graves Registers, 1914-1919:

    CanadaCEFCommonwealthWarGravesRegisters19141919_197074859.jpg

    And from Canada, War Graves Registers (Circumstances of Casualty), 1914-1948:

    View attachment 93375

    Mark
     

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  19. Deacs

    Deacs Well i am from Cumbria.

    This is excellent thankyou very much for all who have contributed to my query i am well chuffed :D

    Regards Michael.
     

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