BEF rearguard action on the Nieuport-Dunkirk canal (May 29th till May 31st 1940)

Discussion in '1940' started by Christian Luyckx, Jan 13, 2025.

  1. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    In the field report of Pioneer Battalion 256 on its deployment in the Netherlands and Belgium, there is this short section on Wulpen:

    According to this report, the British managed to appear stronger than they actually were by skillful use of weapons and terrain. Apparently, they had managed to successfully prevent the German crossing attempts with help of just a single tank
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  2. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    I find the observation in the second paragraph also quite interesting.
    It states that the British were firing smokes, but that those were ineffective due to the wind.
    I should check the War Diaries that Andy sent me but, if I remember correctly, the British artillery units entrenched in the neighbourhood of Coxyde were very short on ammo. I suspect they probably started firing smokes because they had nothing left to fire with.
     
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  3. Blanket Stacker

    Blanket Stacker Junior Member

    It could also be mortar bombs. Vetrans accounts frequently emphasise the lack of HE bombs for the 2 inch mortars, just smoke rounds being available. It's why a lot of 2 inch mortars were thrown away on the retreat.
     
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  4. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    Now that we have gained a reasonable measure of situational awareness on what happened along the stretch of the canal between Wulpen en Nieuport, the next logical step would be to start discussing the combats between Furnes and Nieuport. This may prove to be, however, somewhat more delicate than I initially had anticipated...

    Having done some preliminary research in order to create a decent baseline to fuel future discussions, I found that not many British historians dared tackling the subject head-on. I also soon realised why. It would seem that, along this stretch, the Germans managed to cross the canal, break the line and establish a bridgehead. It is also suggested that some elements defending the canal 'withdrew without orders'. A source even uses the terms 'packed up' and 'bolted'. Bearing in mind the legendary British gift to 'weaponise' understatement, this quite disturbed me. I also was quite unsettled to learn that, apparently, some retreating men seem to have been shot by their own side... All this even made me wonder if the sources I consulted so far were trustworthy.

    While searching amongst other thread on this forum, except for an 2/Grenadier Guard war diary extract date May 31st 1940, I found nothing of consequence. Perhaps I didn't use the proper search parameters? As the (few) sources I consulted so far are exclusively British, I would be interested as to the German side of the story. I also lack several British war diaries that may perhaps provide some additional insights. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, there are no local (Belgian) accounts of what happened.

    Though I'd like to dig deeper, I don't want to reopen old wounds nor do I want to stigmatise anyone.
    On the other hand, developing this topic may allow to gain a better understanding of what happened.

    Before proceeding further, I would welcome your thoughts and insights.
    Advise from the admin/moderator would also be most welcome.
    Perhaps the game is not worth the candle.

    KR,
    Christian
     
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  5. Wobbler

    Wobbler Patron Patron

    A thread on the subject of men being shot by their own side here. The incident relayed by Jimmy Langley was shown in the excellent 2004 BBC drama series Dunkirk.

    British Soldiers shot for retiring without permission

    I also found this on the BBC’s WW2 People’s War pages:

    BBC - WW2 People's War - Dunkirk Secrets
     
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  6. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member


    This indeed seems to be the very same incident I came across during my initial research.
    Yesterday I performed a site survey of the approximate location.
    If anything, it gave me a better grasp of the predicament these men had to face.
     
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  7. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Christian, my feeling is that if you take your customary care in detailing the information available to you, the 1940 sub-forum should be a safe place to discuss such matters. I recall a conflict in the past which arose from focussing on an unsubstantiated allegation by a post-war writer who when pressed had "lost" the evidence. I don't think you'll fall into that sort of trap.
     
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  8. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    Just to put this into context:
    When the Wehrmacht, which was as accustomed to victory as it was experienced in battle, advanced in the Soviet Union in 1941, the ineffectiveness of the 3.7 cm Pak against the T-34 and KW-1 led to the so-called ‘Panzerpanik’, in which sometimes even entire regiments were ‘thrown into disarray’: In the KTBs, an euphemism for disorganised escape movements that could often only be contained under the force of arms by energetic officers
    This took on such proportions that there was an URGENT demand for better AT-guns, because the problem could not be solved by strict discipline alone:
    This was at a time when they were still rushing from victory to victory
     
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  9. John Ellerton

    John Ellerton Member

    I don’t know when my Godfather, serving with 22nd Field Regt. R.A., added a note to his war journal about an incident on 27th May 1940 somewhere between Vlamertinghe and Oostduinkerke, but it would have been years after the war ended.

    The night of 27th an incident occurred that, for obvious reasons, I did not record at the time:
    We had been warned to look out for 5th columnists and, in a cooks’ truck two behind mine, sat L/Bdr. (cook) F***** with his rifle across his knees, loaded and cocked. He was approached in the dark, at a halt, by a man wearing an officer’s mackintosh with web belt & pistol who started to shout at him. Thinking only of 5th column, Fishlock shot him dead. It later transpired that he was GSO I of 3rd Division, a Royal Marine called, I think, Col. B*****. There was a great hullabaloo afterwards about this, but the fact was that the man had lost his cap and was wearing a mackintosh over his uniform; moreover, he was said to have a nervous movement of his right hand which could easily have been interpreted as reaching for his pistol. I believe, though, that GOC 3rd Div. (Maj. Gen. Bernard Montgomery) was not pleased. However, F***** was eventually exonerated.

    Heaven knows what the Colonel’s family were told about his death, and, having read the stories in the previous posts, I wonder if L/Bdr F***** ever told his family and how he coped with the incident.
     
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  10. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    A very interesting story John - thanks for sharing! It reminds me of something I came across while reading Field Marshal Viscount Alanbrook's memoires ('The Turn of the Tide'). Monty had sent a dispatch rider and his ordnance officer, LtCol Brown to warn Alanbrooke the Germans had reached Nieuport. As the story goes, Brown however got stuck amidst a French convoy and left his car in order to resolve a traffic jam. His driver heard a revolver shot soon thereafter...

    Lieutenant Colonel Vincent Christopher 'Marino' BROWN, OBE, DSC, Royal Marines: 28/05/1940

    If (!) the incident your Godfather refers to in his war journal is indeed the one and the same where LtCol Brown got killed, it would exonerate the French. For my part, I can only establish that the date, approximate location and circumstances seem to match.
     
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  11. Wobbler

    Wobbler Patron Patron

    Makes you wonder, doesn’t it…
     
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  12. John Ellerton

    John Ellerton Member

    Good heavens.
    Col. B***** is Col. Brown.
     
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  13. Christian Luyckx

    Christian Luyckx Well-Known Member

    Congratulations John! :cheers: It would seem you have solved an 85 year-old mystery! :D
    Would it be possible to post a scan of the relevant extract of your Godfather's war journal?

    Kind Regards,
    Christian
     
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  14. John Ellerton

    John Ellerton Member

    Christian,
    The diary now belongs to one of my Godfather's daughters who transcribed it for me years ago. I shall try and get in touch with her sometime next week because we are in different time zones (she in England and me in Australia) and this weekend we are up to our ears with family coming to us, and I am sure she is too!
    Funnily enough I woke up in the middle of last night wondering whether the diary had any maps and other comments in the journal which could not be transcribed and that I should chat to her about it.
    You have also contacted me in a "conversation" thingy about this (and thank you) but I cannot for the life of me see how to reply to you there!!;) Could you tell me how ........ please ........!
    All the best to you and keep on with your excellent research.
    John.
     
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  15. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    John,

    You asked: You have also contacted me in a "conversation" thingy about this (and thank you) but I cannot for the life of me see how to reply to you there!!;) Could you tell me how ........ please ........!

    The conversation (Private Message aka PM) will show in your Inbox top right after logging in. Click on inbox and it will show the PM or more. Read and if a reply is needed in the bottom right is a 'Reply' button, which when pressed will ope up a new message (the addressee is inbuilt). On the bottom line are three options.

    You cannot start a PM until you have posted x5.
     
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