Bastion 32 Dunkirk May - June 1940

Discussion in '1940' started by Rich Payne, Nov 3, 2007.

  1. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Rather pre-empting Kev's advice in the 'General' section, http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/general/12420-too-much-ww2-bad-you.html#post117762
    I took my daughters to the Antwerp Book Fair yesterday. The youngest got a book about Woodland Elves, the eldest something about two kids who catch a thief in the polders, both signed by the authors and I stumbled across the stand from military bookshop 'de Krijger' and bought François de Lannoy's "Dunkerque 1940":)

    This is a Heimdal book with a lot of well-captioned (in French though) photographs of May - June 1940. There were a number of pictures captioned as showing Admiral Abrial's HQ in Dunkirk in 'Bastion 32' which was built in 1874 and demolished as recently as the 1970s. I realised that I had known several of the pictures for years together with others which must have been taken around the same time and which come from the ECPA archives.

    Feeling rather proud of my detective work and knowing that there are a couple of 'Fall of France' enthusiasts here, I thought I'd share them.

    Bastion 32 AJS.jpg
    This picture of a Civilian Impressed A.J.S with a Peugeot car in the background appeared in Jaques Borgé's 1976 "Les Motos et La Guerre" although wrongly captioned. The same photo is in de Lannoy.

    Bastion 32 Norton 1.jpg
    This Norton 16H was used in Jean-Paul Pallud's "Blitzkreig in the West - Then and Now" and also Patrick Negro's "Motos Militaires". Although I hadn't made the connection, the same Peugeot is in the background. I was however puzzled by the clothing of the bystander.

    Bastion 32 Peugeot.jpg
    The Onion-seller's beret is explained in this one from de Lannoy captioned as showing three French Airforce personnel using the Peugeot's bonnet for an impromptu picnic.

    Bastion 32 Norton 2.jpg
    A further photo shows a view allegedly from inside the building although the angles are puzzling me slightly.

    Bastion 32 1976.jpg
    Pierre Metsu's "Dunkerque 1940" Pictorial shows the fortification in 1976 just before it was demolished for an expansion of the dockyard which has now closed !

    I also looked at another Heimdal book "Blitzkreig a l'Ouest" by Pallud which I had assumed was a French language version of the 'Then and Now" book - same author and title - but it seems to be completely different (and better quality photographs) At 74 euro, I had to pass it by yesterday:(ay
     
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  2. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Great photos Rich.
    You've got a real find there.
    Those first three all seem taken within minutes of eachother.
    Isn't that leather jacket with cut off arms similar to French tank crews jackets?
     
  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I'm not too well up on French uniforms, I just thought that those flapping trouser bottoms looked so un-soldierly.

    There is a later picture showing bomb damage with two motorcycles close by but it is too indistict to see if they are the two Nortons.

    I wish that my French was a bit more up to visiting the ECPA archives.

    Apparently part of the casements located nearby now form a (very) small museum. Has anyone been there ?
     
  4. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Rich, thanks to you I'm now bidding for a book on ebay about French Uniforms.
    Adam says he's got a book on tank crew uniforms, he'll look into it to.
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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    The Onion-seller's beret is explained in this one from de Lannoy captioned as showing three French Airforce personnel using the Peugeot's bonnet for an impromptu picnic.
    Great shots Rich, well connected.
    I like the glass on the wing.

    Are they really all air force? Chap in the middle is surely a tanker or armoured car man. (though that doesn't necessarily exclude some sort of AF armoured car squadron??)

    Looked at the AFV Uniform book now, and nothing on that jacket with the cut off sleeves I'm afraid. Though this might explain the beret: "Veterans also tended to substitute a small civilian beret for the issue one, which at 285mm diameter was considered unstylish for some reason." he looks Military to me and appears to be sharing lunch (spreading something).

    Still bugs me that I can't find a decent English language book on the French tank arm.

    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  6. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    Adam,

    What do we suspect the glass holds ? red wine ?

    de Lannoy's caption simply says "Un peu plus tard, des aviateurs français prennent leur repas sur la capot de la Peugeot."

    ...which is about the limit of my french really !

    I have the impression that he is well researched but it would be a rare book that had no discrepancies.

    The chap on the right is clearly a Fly-boy but my guess would have been Air-France.:)

    There are a lot of niche French language books on many aspects of the war in Europe but most of them never make it to an English translation. They have some good technically-based magazines as well but for some reason there is always the idea that the English-speaking world could not support them. Based on how short-lived magazines tend to be in the UK, that could be true. A legacy of the W.H. Smith dominance probably.:(

    Rich
     
  7. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Are they really all air force? Chap in the middle is surely a tanker or armoured car man. (though that doesn't necessarily exclude some sort of AF armoured car squadron??).

    The man on the right is definately Armee de l'Air (they're still badged the same today) and, looking at the lower dress of the other two men, i'd say they were too. The helmet (mle.35)worn by the man in the middle wasn't solely worn by AFV crews, but was originally intended for all motorised troops , especially motorcyclists. Both the man on the left and in the middle appear to be wearing the same pattern leather jacket (though the one on the left seems to have shortened sleeves), but neither are the single breasted, leather collared 1935 pattern jackets as issued to armoured troops.

    if I was forced to hazard a guess as to their roles, i'd say that on the left is an airforce driver (of the car in the pic?) and in the middle is an airforce motorcyclist/dispatch rider/escort (though these are usually pictured wearing the canvas 1935/38 coats). The Adrien resting on the car also appears to be in the dark blue, shinier airforce colouring.

    I wonder what the story is behind the boshed windscreen?

    Thanks for posting them ,Rich.

    dave
     
  8. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    looking at the picture of the Norton , with the interested looking chap in the background (the one on the left in the other pics), it appears that he is a Sergent of the airforce.

    Dave
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Cheers Dave, the jacket seemed very like the slightly earlier double breasted one, & I always just assume 'French Panzers' when I see that lid, had no idea it was used as a crash-hat for other purposes.
    I've got an awful lot to learn on the French army, and seemingly little 'standard' reference in English to go on, becoming slowly fascinated now by how so much theoretical raw military power was swept aside.

    Currently tentatively dipping my toe in the world of niche publishing in French... ordered a Normandy book that was recommended on another forum on the strength of the pictures... another expensive avenue I fear.

    Definitely plonk in that glass!
    At least I hope so considering what's happening/about to happen to them...

    Cheers,
    Adam.
     
  10. CROONAERT

    CROONAERT Ipsissimus

    Definitely plonk in that glass!

    Most certainly it is! It'd be a very poor grognard/poilu who actually had water in his water bottle, so i'm sure that these flyboys would have carried something of better quality , especially seeing as they were mobile! (burn the papers, save the wine!)

    Dave
     
  11. Owen

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  12. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    The cars are great, aren't they ? I think we might have to start a "cars in military service thread" !
     
  13. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    "cars in military service thread" !
    A very good idea ;).
     
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    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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