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Discussion in 'Royal Engineers' started by George Satt, Nov 24, 2021.

  1. George Satt

    George Satt Member

    Hi,
    I am trying to interpret some information on a Royal Engineer's tracer card. A lot of the pencil marking appear to be illegible near the top of the document however below that I can make out BEF 24-1-40. However below that there is some more writing which I am unsure of, it looks like it could be bomb disposal section perhaps with a company number in front?
    Any thoughts / ideas on this would be great help.
    Thanks.
     

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  2. ChrisR

    ChrisR Senior Member

    Does look like 'BD Sec' which would be Bomb Disposal Section. However, bit unsure of the numbers in front -70 crossed through and 72. It was early days for Royal Engineers bomb disposal and I believe up to the end of June 1940 there had only been 25 BD sections formed. At the end of June another 109 sections were authorized. Having said that below looks like 15/6/40 (1 BD Sec).
     
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  3. George Satt

    George Satt Member

    Yes it does look like 1 BD Sec, however looking online it states that 1 BD Sec wasn’t formed until 1 January 1941 at Newcastle which wouldn’t add up.
     
  4. George Satt

    George Satt Member

    Is there anywhere online that lists all bomb disposal units in the Royal Engineers, as I am struggling to find anything at all?
     
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  7. ChrisR

    ChrisR Senior Member

    Thanks Tricky Dicky for the book plug!
    Unfortunately, there's no list of 'all' RE BD units online, or anywhere-else for that matter.
    There appeared to be no rhyme or reason to the way sections were allocated to companies and their numbering.
    This is made even more confusing by the fact that sections were frequently 'temporarily' transferred between different Companies at times of high demand. For example, in April 1941 after Plymouth was heavily bombed, 4 Sections, (182, 183, 185 and 189 sections), of 19 BD Company based in Bedford, went and worked under 7 BD Company in Plymouth for a couple of weeks.
    A good on-line rough guide to where Companies were, can be found at https://www.bombdisposalclub.org.uk/bomb-disposal-history/ under the heading NEW COMPANIES RISE TO THE CHALLENGE. However, this doesn't help with sections within the companies.
    I believe a member of the Royal Engineers BD Assc is currently attempting
    to create a spreadsheet annotating which sections were with which companies, and if a war diary for that unit is held at The National Archives. Its a very long term project.
    I know from experience there are huge gaps in the war diaries for Royal Engineers Bomb Disposal units. Not really surprising considering that at the time they were more concerned with getting a job done, than creating a record for us future generations!
    George - Is there a specific individual you are interested in?
     
  8. ChrisR

    ChrisR Senior Member

    By the way - there was no 13 BD Company. Was this a standard practice when numbering British military units?
     
  9. George Satt

    George Satt Member

    It’s great book, not long finished reading it. I didn’t realise that about the sections moved to different companies makes it difficult to track certain personnel. That sounds like a great project, interesting to see once complete.
    Yes, the individual I am interested in is R W Waite, my great grandfather, service no. 1903305. The tracer card in the original post is his. It looks to me like 72 BD Sec and 1 BD Sec. Do you know what companies these sections were with? I am sure his service record will detail all, which I hopefully should receive soon as I applied around 13 months ago.
     
  10. ChrisR

    ChrisR Senior Member

    I believe 1 BD Section came under 2 BD Company based in London, and 72 BD Section came under 1 BD Company based in Newcastle, (along with sections 11, 27, 28 and 59. - See what I mean about the numbering seeming random).
    I think your best bet is to wait until you see what his service record says to get accurate details of dates and units.
    If you do then find a corresponding war diary, generally they only mention the names of the officers, but you may find some information as to where the section operated and what they were up to.
     
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  11. George Satt

    George Satt Member

    I now know the units which he served in and I have attached the unit history. From what I can read he’s posted to bomb disposal section 1 “c” contingent. Looking on this link that you shared earlier ChrisR the first company to be active was BD Coy 9 on 1st July in Birmingham. His movement to BD Sec 1 predates this so what company would he have been with and how would I find the war diaries?
    It then looks like he does move to BD Coy 9 as an acting L/Cpl but I can’t make out the text beneath that. Any help is greatly appreciated.
     

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  12. George Satt

    George Satt Member

    Hi ChrisR can you offer any insight into some of these bomb disposal units? Any help is greatly appreciated.
     
  13. ChrisR

    ChrisR Senior Member

    Don't think I can help you much.
    Looks like after BEF, (and after Dunkirk evacuation), on 16 June '40, he was posted to "70/72 Bomb Disposal Sect 'C' Contingent", before then being posted to 9 BD Company on 4 November.
    Bit confusing, because below are the first pages from 9 BD Company War diary from July 1940.
    The pages mention 70 and 72 Section. (Top right).
    So, if he was already attached to one of those sections in July, I would have thought he'd be with 9 Company from July, not November?
    However, I notice it looks like a typo "70, 71,71" - should probably read 70,71,72, and they were 'detached' from 726 General Construction Company.
    I'm guessing he was on the books as being with the Construction Coy until November, though in reality was working on detachment with 9 BD Coy?
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    When I get a chance, I'll take a look at WO 166/3907 - ROYAL ENGINEERS: COMPANIES: 726 General Construction Company,
    1940 July - 1941 Dec. and see what mention is made of 70/72 and if it sheds any light on 'C Contingent'. Will let you know if I turn up anything.
     
  14. ChrisR

    ChrisR Senior Member

    You said 'It then looks like he does move to BD Coy 9 as an acting L/Cpl but I can’t make out the text beneath that. '
    I can't read all of it, but to me it looks like-
    'Granted paid acting rank
    having *something* paid 21 *something* days.
    Ceasing to fulfil Army Physical Requirements PARA 390 (XVI) KR 1940
    Military Conduct Very Good.'
     
  15. George Satt

    George Satt Member

    Thanks for the response Chris. I had originally thought that the 70/72 part was to do with the first column of the table and that there was a "1" after the word section making it "Bomb Disposal Section 1 C Contingent". BD Section 1 were based with Section 2 on the south coast around Kent and Sussex and their war diary starts from 01/06/1940 so are before he was listed as joining on 16/06/1940.
    If you could let me know if you do find anything on the 726 General Construction Company war diaries, that would be great!
     
  16. ChrisR

    ChrisR Senior Member

    George - Couldn't see anything obvious about 'C Contingent' in WO 166/3907, other than a couple of references to Section 'C'. Interesting that it says about one bomb that it 'has been ploughed over by the farmer and cannot be located.' Wonder if it's still there!
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