88th Field Regiment, Royal Artillery

Discussion in '1940' started by RosyRedd, Oct 2, 2011.

  1. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Does anyone have any info about this RA unit during the retreat at Dunkirk please? Through Google I have found it was outside Dunkirk when the Germans caught up with it, but not much more.

    Jules.
     
  2. idler

    idler GeneralList

    There is a paperback regimental history: Lancashire Gunners at War: The 88th Field Regiment, 1939-1945 by Stephen Bull. I have seen it for silly prices in the past but they seem to be more realistic at the moment.
     
  3. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Thank you! I see there's a couple on Amazon for around £20 which isn't too bad. Could do with another book :D
     
  4. Derek Barton

    Derek Barton Senior Member

    There is some basic information on the 88th on my website:

    RA 1939-45 88 Fld Rgt

    I also have the book mentioned above. If you want something specific I can look it up for you.
     
  5. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Thanks Derek that's great :)

    Could you tell me if there is any mention, during the retreat, of any men being taken POW please?


    There is some basic information on the 88th on my website:

    RA 1939-45 88 Fld Rgt

    I also have the book mentioned above. If you want something specific I can look it up for you.
     
  6. Derek Barton

    Derek Barton Senior Member

    Yes there is. On the 27 May, F Troop of 352 Battery were overrun when the Germans outflanked them through a wood. Around 20 were captured including Gnr Foulkes who later died in captivity and Lt Sturton who was killed later during an escape attempt from a train. The regiment was somewhere in the region of Leysele.

    There must have been one or two others captured as well as the book states that on return to England most of the regiment reassembled although a number were captured or wounded mainly from F Troop. There were only 7 fatalities during the campaign.
     
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  7. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Brilliant! That is very helpful - and thanks very much for looking it up too.

    Jules.
     
  8. Derek Barton

    Derek Barton Senior Member

    No problem Jules, glad to help. If I can be of any further assistance, just ask.

    Derek
     
  9. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Jules the diary for when your next at Kew is WO 167/499 88 Field Regt. There are no battery diaries covering this period.
     
  10. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Thanks Andy - Another file to the list :)
     
  11. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    The Regiment were defending the Bergues-Furnes Canal Line from 29th May and the final elements of the regiment withdrew through Les Moeres on 1st June and eventually headed for Dunkirk between 2130 and 2300hrs on the same day.

    The next diary entry is dated 6th June in Oakhampton, Devon.
     
  12. Buteman

    Buteman 336/102 LAA Regiment (7 Lincolns), RA

    009 CHALKER FV 2731718 88 FIELD REGT 01/06/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    PLOT 6. ROW B. GRAVE 12.

    014 FOX GW 1073911 88 FIELD REGT 08/06/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    PLOT 2 ROW 18 GRAVE 22.

    015 GARDNER GB 3702720 352 BTY, 88 FIELD REGT 09/06/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    SEC. B. ROW 2. GRAVE 18.

    020 GREGSON GD 34650 88 FIELD REGT 29/05/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    COLUMN 7.

    021 GRINHAM EG 943152 88 FIELD REGT 29/05/1940 - - 02/06/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    COLUMN 12.

    023 HILL JH 858312 351 BTY, 88 FIELD REGT 31/05/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    COLUMN 12.

    033 RIDLEY F 906880 88 FIELD REGT 02/06/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    PLOT 1 ROW 1 JOINT GRAVE 37.

    039 TYRER A 878684 351 BTY, 88 FIELD REGT 16/05/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    GRAVE 3.

    045 WOODWORTH AD 858580 88 FIELD REGT 31/05/1940 ROYAL ARTILLERY
    PLOT 2 ROW 13 GRAVE 24.


    Using Geoff's search engine, I found 9 casualties for this period. Gardner is buried in the UK in Okehampton, where Andy said they returned to. Possibly died of wounds after returning. The rest are buried in Europe.
     
  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Chalker is interesting. The war diary has him killed near Dunkirk. He must have still been alive when the regiment left France and evacuated to Lille by the Germans.

    Gardner is buried in the UK in Okehampton, where Andy said they returned to. Possibly died of wounds after returning.


    The Regiment redeployed to Poole on the 10th June.
     
  14. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Thanks very much Andy. I copied a few of the diary pages around this date and saw Lt Sturton - who was taken as a POW - listed in the officers field returns. I thought he was taken straight to an Oflag in Biberach, but looking at the dates that can't be the case.
     
  15. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    Thanks very much Andy. I copied a few of the diary pages around this date and saw Lt Sturton - who was taken as a POW - listed in the officers field returns. I thought he was taken straight to an Oflag in Biberach, but looking at the dates that can't be the case.

    I believe all the PoW questionaires for NWE are now online at Ancestry. It could be worth asking someone who's signed up to do a quick look up for yo u to see if he filled one out.
     
  16. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    I believe all the PoW questionaires for NWE are now online at Ancestry. It could be worth asking someone who's signed up to do a quick look up for yo u to see if he filled one out.

    Might have answered my own question about the location as one of the files places him at Oflag VIIC in Laufen in June 1940. Were the questionnaires filled out whilst at the camps or much later do you know?
     
  17. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    I'm sure they were done when liberated, Brian (ADM199) told me that most Ptes and NCO's never put much on them as he thinks they just wanted to get home and the Officers ones tend to be more detailed.

    I think it was mainly done to find out any possible war crimes etc.
     
  18. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    In that case, I think I can rule out any questionnaires for Lt. Sturton as he was shot and killed whilst trying to escape during a transfer to Warburg in 1941. Thanks again Andy for your help.
     
  19. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot 1940 Obsessive

    In that case, I think I can rule out any questionnaires for Lt. Sturton as he was shot and killed whilst trying to escape during a transfer to Warburg in 1941. Thanks again Andy for your help.

    Have you checked war crimes files?

    Did he have anyone with him who that survived the war? They may have filled one in giving the circumstances of his death?
     
  20. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Yes there is. On the 27 May, F Troop of 352 Battery were overrun when the Germans outflanked them through a wood. Around 20 were captured including Gnr Foulkes who later died in captivity and Lt Sturton who was killed later during an escape attempt from a train. The regiment was somewhere in the region of Leysele.

    There must have been one or two others captured as well as the book states that on return to England most of the regiment reassembled although a number were captured or wounded mainly from F Troop. There were only 7 fatalities during the campaign.

    Hi Derek - I've come back to this part of my research about Michael Sturton. I copied the pages of the 88th Field Regiment Diary around this date when I was last at Kew, but there is no mention of this battery being overrun in these diary entries. Would it be possible for you to tell me more about this incident please?

    Thanks.

    Jules.
     

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