15th / 19th Hussars in Assche / Asse

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  1. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    These 2 bits relate to him, the NW Frontier medal role and Tank Corps enlistment - on the remarks column of the 2nd document it has "RE/RAOCorps 30/9/39" so I think he had left the 15/19th by the time of the Battle
     

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  2. DazOwens413

    DazOwens413 Member

    Wow, I never met my grandad (he passed before i was born) and I have very little to go off but those two docs you’ve just sent have put a lump in my throat.
    So I’m not sure what a lot of the hand written stuff means but I want to find out about his 15/19th career and what looks like his RA career
    Waiting on my dad calling me back but he’s getting on himself and wouldn’t be 100% sure on details
    Thank you so much :)
     
  3. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter 1940 Obsessive

    Hello again Daz....He entered the Army Reserve in December 1931 and was discharged in 1937...Does the comment on the second document indicate Re-Enlisted...and would RAO Corps not be Royal Army Ordnance Corps ? If it's RA, what does the 'O' indicate ? Does it state 'Docs to Portsmouth 4/12/39 ? Would this have been the RAOC Depot at Hilsea ? More questions than answers...Service records really are the only answer here...
     
  4. DazOwens413

    DazOwens413 Member

    Hi rich,

    yeah I’m not sure tbh, I have plenty of questions and filling out the service request form as we speak
    Did he not enlist in July 1925 then?
     
  5. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter 1940 Obsessive

    I should think he did join in 1925 and had done six years with the colours and six with the reserve. Regiments and Corps varied on the split and he was overseas when his service ended, from the look of it). This brought him to 1937 and his discharge. He was then free to re-enlist in September 1939 which he did straight away. He'd have been horsed cavalry in 1931 and 15/19H had converted to armour in his absence so re-joining his old regiment may not have been his first choice.
     
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  6. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Looks like you nailed it... looks like he was posted out of 15/19 around the time the regiment entrained at York station on 29/9/1939 and then later embarked from Avonmouth for France on October 2, 1940 aboard the SS The Duke of Lancaster.
     
  7. DazOwens413

    DazOwens413 Member

    I’m amazed how you guys know all that, im also very very grateful
    So was he RA from 29/9/39 until 1944?
     
  8. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    My reading is enlisted 27/7/25 for 6 years and a further 6 in reserve - when he enlisted he was 8th Hussars, 3/2/28 he transferred to the 15/19th and was with them until 29/12/31 when he moved to the reserve - he stayed on the reserve until 26/7/37 - I think he was Re-Engaged (I think that's what the RE is) so recalled for service 30/9/39 into the Royal Army Ordnance Corps, I think the other line is basically just admin that his records were sent from his old unit to his new unit (RAOC) 4/12/39. I don't think anything on these who him as Royal Artillery - its possible he moved from RAOC to RA but as the document shown relates to him joining serving and leaving the armoured side of thing they may not have been interested in his movements after he left for the RAOC.

    Alistair
     
  9. DazOwens413

    DazOwens413 Member

    Amazing, so does the attached certificate with RA help in any way?
     

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  10. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Daz, once you have his service records and know definitively what unit he served with you can look into getting the war diaries for that unit. The WDs will give you an idea of what the unit and he were doing on a daily basis for the 39/40 period. I'm sure some members will be able to help out with the WDs...
     
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  11. DazOwens413

    DazOwens413 Member

    Yeah rgr mate
    Many thanks to all so far
    Sent off for service records so I’ll be in touch
     
  12. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter 1940 Obsessive

    Jan,
    I'm really sorry that I didn't see your request last August. Photobucket have made a real mess of many of these threads. I've gone back through and re-loaded the photographs. I don't have originals of any of them, but hope they'll be clear enough for your purposes.
    Rich.
     
  13. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I think another 15/17th Hussar who would have been there, I think he joined them 15/5/38 and later he moved on to the CMP


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  14. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Thanks for this. I did not find any mention of him in 15/19 regimental journals, WDs or regimental histories. Found a few ancestry records for his early life and his Dad's (Thomas) Descriptive Report on Enlistment, WW1. Do you have any records that connect him to 15/19 or a specific Troop or Squadron?
     
  15. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Noticed this on Tpr Amoss in the 1999 15/19 Regimental Association Journal

    7899247 Tpr J.R.J. Amoss
    9 November 1998
    Served l5/19tH 1939-46, also 3RTR. Mr C Hunter represented the Regimental Association at the funeral service on 16 November 1998.
     
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  16. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    I'm really just going on the RTR enlistment book entry which seems to have him initially 13/18th, moving to 15/19th 15/8/38 and then nothing until he moves to the Military Police in 1944

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  17. mvdv84

    mvdv84 Well-Known Member

    Most photos of this post are lost.

    These are the 6 members who are buried at Adegem War Cemetery.
    I'd like to know more details about these guys. And where have they been temporary buried?

    BRACE, EUSTACE FRANK FEILDEN (age 20). United Kingdom. Son of Colonel H. F. Brace (D.S.O., M.C.). Second Lieutenant (95557). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 1.
    *service records requested*
    BRACE, EUSTACE FRANK FEILDEN | Canadian War Cemetery, Adegem

    COOKE, VICTOR ALEXANDER (age 19). United Kingdom. Trooper (321305). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 2.
    *service records requested*

    CUNNINGHAM, ALEXANDER MCQUEEN (age 20). Trooper (321810). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 3.
    *service records requested*

    FALLA, JOHN (age 24). United Kingdom. Guardsman (2613320). Grenadier Guards, 3rd Bn. Plot 6, Row AB, Grave 8.
    *service records requested*

    LONG, BERTRAM HENRY (age 30). United Kingdom. Lance Serjeant (545035). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 4.
    *service records requested*

    MURPHY, LESLIE JOHN (age 20). United Kingdom. Trooper (321278). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 5.
    *service records requested*

    MUIR, JAMES ARTHUR (age 23). Trooper (555527). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 6.
    *service records requested*
     
  18. mvdv84

    mvdv84 Well-Known Member

    web-Headstone-EFF-Brace-ph.Michael-vd-Velde.jpg web-Headstone-VA-Cooke-ph.Michael-vd-Velde.jpg web-Headstone-AM-Cunningham-ph.Michael-vd-Velde.jpg
    web-Headstone-BA-Long-ph.Michael-vd-Velde.jpg web-Headstone-JA-Muir-ph.Michael-vd-Velde.jpg web-Headstone-LJ-Murphy-ph.Michael-vd-Velde.jpg
    The 6 members at Adegem.
     
  19. mvdv84

    mvdv84 Well-Known Member

    MAY 18, 1940:
    BRACE, EUSTACE FRANK FEILDEN (age 20). United Kingdom. Son of Colonel H. F. Brace (D.S.O., M.C.). Second Lieutenant (95557). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Died in Belgium during the battle of Asse. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 1.
    *details/ service records requested*
    Full profile: BRACE, EUSTACE FRANK FEILDEN | Canadian War Cemetery, Adegem
    View attachment 269358

    COOKE, VICTOR ALEXANDER (age 19). United Kingdom. Trooper (321305). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Died in Belgium during the battle of Asse. Buried in a collective grave in this cemetery. Possibly their armoured vehicle suffered a direct hit. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 2.
    *details/ service records requested*
    Full profile: COOKE, VICTOR ALEXANDER | Canadian War Cemetery, Adegem
    View attachment 269359

    CUNNINGHAM, ALEXANDER MCQUEEN (age 20). Trooper (321810). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Died in Belgium during the battle of Asse. Buried in a collective grave in this cemetery. Possibly their armoured vehicle suffered a direct hit. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 3.
    *details/ service records requested*
    Full profile: CUNNINGHAM, ALEXANDER MCQUEEN | Canadian War Cemetery, Adegem
    View attachment 269360

    LONG, BERTRAM HENRY (age 30). United Kingdom. Lance Serjeant (545035). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Died in Belgium during the battle of Asse. Buried in a collective grave in this cemetery. Possibly their armoured vehicle suffered a direct hit. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 4.
    *details/ service records requested*
    Full profile: LONG, BERTRAM HENRY | Canadian War Cemetery, Adegem
    View attachment 269362

    MURPHY, LESLIE JOHN (age 20). United Kingdom. Trooper (321278). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Died in Belgium during the battle of Asse. Buried in a collective grave in this cemetery. Possibly their armoured vehicle suffered a direct hit. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 5.
    *details/ service records requested*
    Full profile: MURPHY, LESLIE JOHN | Canadian War Cemetery, Adegem
    View attachment 269363

    MUIR, JAMES ARTHUR (age 23). Trooper (555527). Royal Armoured Corps, 15th/19th The King's Royal Hussars. Died in Belgium during the battle of Asse. Plot 12, Row F, Grave 6.
    *details/ service records requested*
    Full profile: MUIR, JAMES ARTHUR | Canadian War Cemetery, Adegem
    View attachment 269364
     
  20. battleofassche

    battleofassche Well-Known Member

    Thanks for posting the pictures of the grave stones of these 15/19 men. New PB limits impacted previous image postings.

    Actually none of these chaps were KIA within Assche but killed in action in nearby villages and hamlets before the fighting in Assche began. Long, Murphy and Muir were KIA near Brusseghem. Brace, Cook and Cunningham were KIA near Vijlst.

    If you are able to acquire any of their service records perhaps you could post them.

    Steve
     
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