Palestinians fighting against Nazis: The story of Palestinian volunteers in the Second World War

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  1. brithm

    brithm Senior Member

    Palestinians fighting against Nazis: The story of Palestinian volunteers in the Second World War by Dr. Mustafa Abbasi, Telhai College, Israel

     

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  2. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    A few of them - Klein was taken POW I think at Tobruk or Piraeus

    Just to add these are all Palestinian Jews, I cant think of seeing an AB64 to a Palestinian Arab volunteer

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  3. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Well-Known Member

    Just in case you come across a corroborating record, this is another soldier who was a PW in Stalag 383 sometime between 1943-45:

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    No further details known; an identification of 909 might be known to a reader and indicate some background. A quick search reflects that Tevet is the name of a month in the Jewish calendar. Yoel Street is still an address in Bnei Brak, Near Tel Aviv.
     
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  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Interesting document

    Yad Vashem - Request Rejected

    Palestinian POWs In German Captivity

    I also have some notes that some Palestinian POW's were repatriated via Odessa in 1945

    TD
     
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    brithm Senior Member

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  6. Waddell

    Waddell Well-Known Member

    I read an interesting memoir last year written by an officer who served with the Palestinian ASC units in the Western Desert and later through Italy titled 'Wheels In The Storm' by Major Wellesley Aron.

    Oddly enough it was printed in Australia.

    Short review here-

    Book Review - Micro Book Reviews

    Scott
     
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  7. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your interesting link. Noting: “.. he had tried to influence Wavell into setting up stores and utilising the skilled manpower within Palestine“, if not actioned at the time, it would have been evaluated and not forgotten.

    I’m currently reading RJ Collins’s ‘Lord Wavell - A Military Biography’ and in its Foreword (penned by FM JC Smuts) it highlights “he visited me ..... had an army, though too small for his purpose, but he lacked the mechanical and engineering base for carrying on a modern campaign.”

    Further on, in the section ‘Wavell’s Five Simultaneous Campaigns,’ Collins observes: ‘By June 1st (1941) the administrative difficulties in the Middle East had assumed the proportions of a nightmare. Over and above the complete loss of all equipment and transport in Greece, several thousand administrative personnel, mostly experts in supply, ordnance and mechanical transport, together with a number of invaluable Pioneer Corps units had been left behind. Such men were irreplaceable .......”

    A few pages on Collins judges: ”Luckily too, Wavell’s Q staff had shown foresight in the lay-out of the expanded base in Egypt, 20% of which had been sited in Palestine. This was handy, as it turned out, for the operations in Syria which were soon to develop .... “

    That percentage will doubtless underscore some of the figures etc quoted in the thread. I haven’t come across a mention of Aron though.

    By way of a personal comment and noting CL1’s separate thread on AMPC being viewed as under-utilised in a different circumstance, I have invariably found Pioneer Corps more usable and also used than they are/were often given credit for.
     
  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Palestinian Klein POW's

    UK, British Prisoners of War, 1939-1945

    Name: Eugen Klein
    Rank: Spr
    Army Number: PAL/23260
    Regiment: 1039 Port Op. Coy., R.E.
    POW Number: 6528
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 344
    Camp Location: Lamsdorf, Poland
    Record Office: Jerusalem, Palestine
    Section: Locally Enlisted Personnel : Colonies and Dependencies

    Name: Samuel Klein
    Rank: Cpl
    Army Number: PAL/11861
    Regiment: 605 Pal. P.C.
    POW Number: 4509
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 8A
    Camp Location: Gorlitz, Poland
    Record Office: Jerusalem, Palestine
    Section: Locally Enlisted Personnel : Colonies and Dependencies

    Name: Ladislav Klein
    Rank: Pte
    Army Number: PAL/13823
    Regiment: 608 Pal. P.C.
    POW Number: 4894
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 344
    Camp Location: Lamsdorf, Poland
    Record Office: Jerusalem, Palestine
    Section: Locally Enlisted Personnel : Colonies and Dependencies

    Name: Adolf Klein
    Rank: Pte
    Army Number: PAL/12993
    Regiment: 603 Pal. P.C.
    POW Number: 4944
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 344
    Camp Location: Lamsdorf, Poland
    Record Office: Jerusalem, Palestine
    Section: Locally Enlisted Personnel : Colonies and Dependencies

    Name: Wolf Zef Klein
    Rank: Spr
    Army Number: PAL/23089
    Regiment: 1039 Port Op. Coy., R.E.
    POW Number: 22798
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 8B
    Camp Location: Teschen, Czech Republic
    Record Office: Jerusalem, Palestine
    Section: Locally Enlisted Personnel : Colonies and Dependencies

    Name: Jakob Klein
    Rank: Pte
    Army Number: PAL/11943
    Regiment: 605 Pal. P.C.
    POW Number: 4561
    Camp Type: Stalag
    Camp Number: 344
    Camp Location: Lamsdorf, Poland
    Record Office: Jerusalem, Palestine
    Section: Locally Enlisted Personnel : Colonies and Dependencies

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  9. Quarterfinal

    Quarterfinal Well-Known Member

    Another Palestinian soldier in Stalag 383 gets a mention in McKibbins ‘Barbed Wire.’ This was Irvine Poppa (page 97-98) “onetime native of Vienna.” He helped school BQMS Norman Drummond and Corporal Eddie Freestone in preparation for their extraordinary escape attempt as a professor and his wife travelling from Copenhagen University to Vienna University and ultimately Syria.

    Their bid was attributed to have come to grief because Eddie’s attire - he was in drag - was deemed to have drawn too much undesired envious attention from the local Viennese ladies. There then followed a recapture scene almost like Allo, Allo, except these Herr Flicks were real Gestapo.
     
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  10. AB64, where can I find these army passes that you posted, as we search someone that was in Stalag VIII from the palestinian P.C.?




     
  11. AB64

    AB64 Senior Member

    Hi, These are Service Books from my collection. If you post up the details of the person you are looking for its possible someone may be able to help with info.
     
  12. AB64 hank you very much for your fast reply, I really appreciate!

    The information I have: Leibish Temerson (name was written wrong by the Stalag his real name was Leibush Temerson)
    Camp number: 344 and also before or after 8B P.O.W.number: 6539 Rank: pte Army number: 11946 Corps: 605 Palestinian P. Corps
     
  13. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Possibly your info comes from WO416 (National Archives) ?

    Reference: WO 416/357/222
    Description:
    Name: Leibish Temerson.
    Date of Birth: 28/03/1900.
    Place of Birth: Poland.
    Service: [Palestinian Army].
    Rank: [Private].
    Regiment/Unit/Squadron: [605 Palestinian Pioneer Corps].
    Service Number: 11946.
    Date of Capture: [unspecified].
    Theatre of Capture: [unspecified].
    Camp Name/Number: Stalag VIIIB Lamsdorf.
    PoW number: 6539.
    Date of Death: [unspecified].
    Number of Photographs: 0.
    Number of Fingerprints: 0.
    Number of X-rays: 0.
    Number of Cards: 3.


    Kyle
     
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  14. Yes true, thank you very much for taking the time to check, I appreciate it very much! I was wondering if there might be an archive where I could find his army passport. <3
     
  15. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Ah ,Not that I`m aware I think these Paybook`s were personal that`s why so many are out there for sale. AB64 takes his user name from their designation .Service records or perhaps a liberation questionnaire ?

    Kyle
     
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  16. Thank you Kyle! I have a membership of Ancestry I just startedI will search there everything I can find. If you need any info from there, just tell me. Have a great day
     
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  17. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Jennifer here`s his PoW entry :-

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    Kyle
     
  18. Thank you so much Kyle, you are amazing!
     

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