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  1. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

    During my research to improve British Troops Berlin have discovered a location statement for 22 Nov 46 (thanks to Lee@arcre), showing every unit/organisation in Berlin at the time, now published on britisharmyingermany.com, in time hoping to find earlier records, however you will find major units up to 1 Mar 49, as with the remainder of 21st Army Group/BAOR.

    Please go to https://britisharmyingermany.com/british-troops-berlin and follow the links.

    Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
     
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  2. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

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  3. RHH

    RHH New Member

    Steve, I am looking for a publication that contains the ORBAT for the British Army from the years 1957-1960, in particular for 2 Infantry Brigade based in the West Country. Are you able to point me in the right direction? Cracking website on BAOR btw
     
  4. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

    RHH, many thanks, for the time being my website is only up to Mar 49, there is a publication "The British Army in Germany (BAOR and after) an Organizational History 1947-2004" by Graham E. Watson and Richard A. Rinaldi, the early days are suspect but a good reference point for later, sorry unable to help with a UK ORBAT.

    Best of luck with your research
     
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  5. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    This could be of interest: Serving in the British Army Intelligence Corps during the 1960s & 70s (Part 3):

    Link: Cold War Conversations History Podcast

    I have not listened to this.
     
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  6. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

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  7. Quis Separabit

    Quis Separabit Junior Member

    Hi Steve

    Stumbled across your britisharmyingermany.com site and noticed there was reference to 9th British Infantry Brigade.

    You may be interested in 9th Brigade War Diaries (up to September 1945) which can be found at my site at 9th British Infantry Brigade During World War 2 and includes some photos of HQ Officers as at beginning of May 1945 plus HQ Defence Platoon at the same time which you are welcome to use as appropriate (my dad was Camp Commandant and HQ Defence Platoon Commander).

    I know that at some point my dad was appointed as "Town Major" with responsibility for a specific district somewhere after the war ended but have never known where so if you have any information of assistance it would be greatly appreciated.

    Best regards.

    Quis Separabit

    P.S. Comments Feed at https://britisharmyingermany.com/comments/feed/ doesn't appear to be working?

    Images of 9th British Infantry Brigade May 1945
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    9th Infantry Brigade Headquarters - Lengerich - May 1945
    Brigadier WFH Kempster OBE (Commander 9th Infantry Brigade) and other Brigade Headquarters officers who, based on return of officers and cap badges, pips, seniority and age are believed to be:

    Back Row (Left to Right)
    1. T/Captain TG Badham Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers/Royal Ulster Rifles - age 35
    2. Lieutenant MP Scanlon - Royal Irish Fusiliers/Royal Ulster Rifles - age 27
    3. Unknown Chaplain - Royal Army Chaplains Department
    4. Lieutenant EG Barker - Royal Ulster Rifles - age 34
    5. Lieutenant MJ Wheelock - Kings Shropshire Light Infantry - age 21
    6. Unknown Chaplain - Royal Army Chaplains Department
    7. Unknown Captain/Chaplain

    Front Row (Left to Right)
    1. T/Captain FL Usher - Royal Engineers - age 40
    2. T/Captain MC Quarmby - Dorset Regiment - age 25
    3. T/Major D Montgomery - Royal East Kent Regiment/Buffs - age 26
    4. A/Brigadier WFS Kempster - Kings Shropshire Light Infantry - age 36
    5. A/Major JE Driver - Duke of Wellington (West Riding) Regiment - age 33
    6. T/Captain E Quinn - The Kings Regiment - age 25
    7. Unknown Captain/Chaplain

    The Unidentified Chaplains with the Brigade at the time were:
    1. Chaplain DW Jones (attached to 2 Lincolns) - age 34
    2. Chaplain WIG Wilson (attached to 1 KOSB) - age 32
    3. Chaplain JP O’Brien (attached to 2 RUR) - age 26

    The Unidentified Captains with the Brigade at the time were:
    1. T/Captain HS Nettleton (RASC) - age 36
    2. T/Captain DCW Milton (KOSB) - age 28


    Officers Mess - Lengerich May 1945
    Lieutenant MP Scanlon second from right with other officers from 9th British Infantry Brigade Headquarters.
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    Headquarters Defence Platoon - 9th British Infantry Brigade - Lengerich May 1945
    Brigadier WFC Kempster OBE (Commander 9th Infantry Brigade) in centre
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  8. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    Good Morning,
    I was hoping to find a good friend of mine from Guernsey 8Channel Islands Tom Remfrey. Tom was a deporty
     
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  9. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

     
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  10. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Post 28 contains a request from Lindele (from Germany) and this will be resolved (hopefully) offline. Lindele is aware.
     
  11. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    Lindele's request has been resolved and contact made.:)
     
  12. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

    Just added new pages to cover Line of Communication in the Low Countries, formation and major units are shown along with minor units Royal Artillery and Royal Engineers – Royal Signals are being updated, at the bottom of the Line of Communication page you will find the formation and major units under command 1st Canadian Army prior to arrival in Germany.

    21st Army Group later British Army of the Rhine under construction from France to Berlin
     
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  13. Lindele

    Lindele formerly HA96

    Thanks Steve,
    I really have all I wanted.
    Stefan.
     
  14. davidbfpo

    davidbfpo Patron Patron

    An upcoming (free) talk at the National Army Museum on 4/12/20 at midday: Reconstruction, Renewal and Reconciliation in Occupied Germany and from the summary:
    For details and booking: Reconstruction, Renewal and Reconciliation in Occupied Germany | National Army Museum
     
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  16. Adam Petipher

    Adam Petipher Well-Known Member

    Hello Steve, I am trying to find out about the 84th Graves concentration unit.
    NA and CWGC have confirmed they have no records, which is a shame and they have directed me towards the BAOR.
    Would you have any information on them?

    Thanks, Adam
     
  17. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

    Adam

    Hoping to record in time all unit locations from France to Berlin from VE Day 8 May 45 to 1 Mar 49, there can be a problem due to missing Kew documents.

    My first record for 84 Graves Concentration Unit is 23 May 46 as 1st Corps District under 52nd (Lowland) Infantry Division for administration, exact location unknown however within the area of Province Westfalen, when the division moved north 4th Armoured Brigade assumed administration responsibility 1 Jun 46 to 15 Jul 46, 7th Armoured Division relieved them however the unit does not appear on their Order of Battle and only appears again on the 2nd Infantry Division Order of Battle, 15 Jan 48 located in the Hook of Holland-NL with a detachment in Antwerp-B under command 89 Graves Concentration Unit.

    Hope this helps.
     
  18. Adam Petipher

    Adam Petipher Well-Known Member

    Hi Steve, thanks for your message.
    I am particularly interested in the 84th graves concentration unit for the months of April and May 1947.

    Sorry my knowledge on this is really limited, so if I am understanding this correctly the concentration units were made up of regiments/divisions which changed after a certain period of time?
     
  19. Historic Steve

    Historic Steve Researching 21 Army Group/BAOR post VE day

    Hi Adam

    Sorry no records for the period of time you are looking at, have checked the Imperial War Graves Commission as they are recorded located Arras in France from 13 Mar 46. Found this on discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk that will help you.

    https://tinyurl.com/54ymy44e

    Graves Concentration Units and Graves Registration Units were Army Troops and not part of regiments/divisions, so independent from them except for administration.

    Best of luck with your research
     
  20. Adam Petipher

    Adam Petipher Well-Known Member

    Hi Steve,
    Thanks for your response. That is a shame that there are no records for that period.

    All the best.
    Adam
     

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