Hi everyone New to the site and hoping somebody could please explain the merchant naval cards attached for me? These are my great great grandads. I have posted on a few facebook pages and they have suggested they are ship numbers and either sign on or off dates. So my questions are 1. What do the numbers and dates mean on the cr2 card? 2. If they are ship numbers does this mean he was on the carare all the other times with that being the official ship? 3. Why does he have 2 cr1 cards? Any help much appreciated. Thank you
Carare was an Elder Fyffe 'banana boat' as was Ariguani. At some point your great grand dad was on naval service, that is what the T124 means, he remained in the MN but was 'subject to naval discipline'. He probably lost his life when HMS Audacity was torpedoed, you can find more about that by doing a Google search. His Discharge Book should be at the National Archives. Roy
Medal Card of Knowles, James Penkeyman Place of Birth: Formby Date of Birth:... | The National Archives Reference: BT 351/1/78132 Description: Medal Card of Knowles, James Penkeyman Place of Birth: Formby Date of Birth: 1879 Date: [1914-1925] Held by: The National Archives, Kew Legal status: Public Record(s) Language: English Creator: Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen, 1872-1992 Closure status: Open Document, Open Description UK, Shipping and Seamen WWI and WWII Rolls of Honour, 1914-1945 Name: James Penkeyman Knowles Death Age: 62 Birth Year: 1879 Death Date: 27 Dec 1941 Death Country: United Kingdom Attachment below UK, Commonwealth War Graves, 1914-1921 and 1939-1947 Name: James Penkeyman Knowles Age: 62 Birth Date: abt 1879 Death Date: 22 Dec 1941 Cemetery: Naval Memorials United Kingdom Liverpool Burial Country: England Father: James Knowles Mother: Alice Knowles Regimental Number: 541899 Region or Memorial: Memorial Register UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 Name: James Penkyman Knowles Event: Death Birth Date: 19 Jul 1879 Birth Place: Formby, Liverpool, Lancs. Death Date: 22 Dec 1941 Death Age: 62 TD
Interesting history for HMS Audacity. Originally a German cargo/passenger vessel captured in 1940. Converted to escort carrier. Sunk by torpedoes by U-Boat U-751 on 21 Dec 41. HMS Audacity aka MV Hanover Casualty Crewlist from HMS Audacity (D 10) (British escort carrier) - Ships hit by German U-boats during WWII - uboat.net Tim
Thanks Roy, I have had no luck with a discharge book. He did die on tbe hms audacity yes, his name is on the memorial in Liverpool
NAP = means Naval Auxiliary Personnel. They are ship's official numbers including the date of engagement. They are often incomplete. No he was on lots of ships will decipher them tomorrow unless anybody else does. A CR1 card would be completed in a port Mercantile Marine Office at the same time that a new discharge book was issued to the seaman or an old one checked. I am afraid his Discharge Book will not be at the National Archives. Regards Hugh
Hello Amy, As promised the breakdown of the cards. 147345 - CARARE – 17.7.1926 141870 – BAYANO – 30.8.1926 134701 – CHANGUINOLA – 16.10.1926 134702 – MOTAGUA – 29.11.1926 148890 – ARIGUANI – 11.4.1927 148890 – ARIGUANI – 27.6.1927 148890 – ARIGUANI – 25.9.1927 148890 – ARIGUANI – 7.5.1928 134701 – CHANGUINOLA – 8.6.1929 132040 – PATUCA – 8.8.1929 148935 – OROTAVA – 8.11.1929 148890 – ARIGUANI – 27.12.1930 137796 – CAMITO – 31.8.1936 147896 – CAVINA – 12.4.1937 145889 – MANISTEE – 2.9.1940 137796 – CAMITO – 16.9.1940 HMS AUDACITY lost when ship sunk - 22.12.1941. All ships were owned/managed by Elders & Fyffe Ltd. It is likely that he was on T124X agreements on MANISTEE, CAMITO and AUDACITY. T124X agreements are held at the National Archives in Kew in piece reference BT 390. You may wish to check file BT 390/69 Best viewed by visit to Kew or via a researcher.
So was Camito, also serving as OBV. HMS Camito (F 77) (British Ocean boarding vessel) - Ships hit by German U-boats during WWII - uboat.net HMS Manistee (F 104) (British Ocean boarding vessel) - Ships hit by German U-boats during WWII - uboat.net Tim
