Zyklon B

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  1. chrisdoughty28

    chrisdoughty28 Junior Member

    Is the following fact or fiction and if fact, what company was it.
    In 1946, two partners in a leading pest control company, Tesch and Stabenow (Testa), were tried before a British military court on charges of genocide. It was argued that the accused must have realized that the massive supply of Zyklon B they provided to concentration camps was far above the quantity required for delousing. They were convicted and hanged.
    Chris
     
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  3. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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  4. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    Strange that I G Farben who owned the patent for Zyklon B (as a pesticide) and through their subsidiary Degesch shared the supplying of Zyklon B to the SS were not also put in the dock.

    24 directors of I G Farben were put on trial,not on a charge of supplying the gas but because their company had been implicated in activities in concentration camps and extermination camps and were charged with willingly engaging in questionable practices that had been deemed indispensable to the German war effort....enslavement and mass murder of foreign workers.

    I G Farben supplied the bulk of the Third Reich's war economy consumables,valued at over $ 1 Billion per annum. The Western Allies sought to break up what was a cartel and ensure that never again would the company enable Germany to make war.The result was that some directors received mild sentences and were on hand to be in place to direct what was seen as necessary...recovery essential for the economy of West Germany to ward off Russian expansion in Europe.By 1952,the thought of addressing the central structure of I G Farben was forgotten...other challenges were emerging in Europe.
     
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  6. chrisdoughty28

    chrisdoughty28 Junior Member

    Thank you I have just read the court document above and now plan some research into I G Farben thanks for your feedback.
    Chris
     
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  8. Harry Ree

    Harry Ree Very Senior Member

    It's all too apparent that as the regards genocide using Zyklon B, the small fry (Tesch and Stabenow) paid the supreme penalty as individuals,while the individuals as directors of I G Farben received mild sentences,the maximum being 8 years imprisonment.

    I think in the end,as regards I G Farben,it was very hard for the Allies to interfere with the economic standing of a world wide brand chemical combine.Further its cartel, which the Weimar Republic although their policy was to break up the cartel,was never able to do...instead it went from strength to strength.The chemical combine served the Kaiser and Hitler well in both world wars and was the foundation of Germany's capacity to wage war.The Potsdam agreement across the Allies laid down the task that I G Farben combine would be decentralised as to reduce the concentration of economic power and a directive to Eisenhower called for industrial disarmament...both failed and I think the Russians as a victim at the hands of Germany in both world wars were disappointed.

    Then if we look further at the cartel agreements in force before the war,a clearer picture emerges of the tentacles it applied across the world chemical industry.

    I G Faben had over 2000 cartel agreements across the world,some with principal Anglo Saxon businesses,viz:

    Standard Oil of New Jersey.
    Aluminum Company of America
    Dow Chemical Company
    E. I. Dupont de Nemours&Co
    Ethyl Export Corporation
    imperial Chemical Industries (Great Britain)


    Etablissements Kuhlmann (France)
    Mitsui (Japan)

    Reminds me of in the early days of the Second World War,when the RAF proposed to bomb the Ruhr....the retort,said to be from the Air Minister was, "you can't do that..it's private property"
     
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  9. chrisdoughty28

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    I.C.I Well there is a bit of interesting info thank you once again for you feedback I will keep looking into this.!!!!
    1929: ICI signs a deal with I.G. Farben, establishing production quotas for nitrogen, the main ingredient in fertilizer.
    1933: ICI researchers "discover" polyethylene, which is later patented and sold as an insulating material.
    1935: Due to declining demand for fertilizer, ICI agrees to let I.G. Farben exclusively sell nitrogen in parts of Asia, Europe, and South and Central America.
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  10. chrisdoughty28

    chrisdoughty28 Junior Member

    Degesch played a key role in the development (see above) and manufacturing of Zyklon B. Many German companies had stock in Degesch, but all eventually sold their shares to the chemical giant Degussa (now part of Evonik Industries) in the early 1920s.
    look up (Evonik Industries)

    Zyklon B is still in production in the Czech Republic in the factory Draslovka Kolín a.s. in the city of Kolín, under the tradename Uragan D2, and is sold for the purpose of eradicating insects and small animals. The Czech word uragan means "hurricane" or "cyclone" in English.
     
  11. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Cyclone = Zyklon...

    I'm not even going to bother looking for this, but once I stumbled upon an "interesting" site that among other nazilia sold repro Zyklon cans.
     
  12. TiredOldSoldier

    TiredOldSoldier Senior Member

    Za, you just added a grim note to an already bad day :(
     
  13. Sheldrake

    Sheldrake Gunner Tours

    Cyclone is still a common brand name for bleaches, insecticide and herbicides..
     
  14. Peccavi

    Peccavi Senior Member

    Some of your facts are incorrect but if you are really interested, I would recommend reading

    Hell's Cartel by Diarmuid Jeffreys – the story of IG Farben.

    Sadly Zylon B was yet another brain child of probably the most inventive chemist of the 20th Century, Fritz Haber, a German Jew and ardent nationalist.

    To his credit he invented a synthetic route to nitrogen fertilisers using high pressure reaction of Hydrogen and also adapted this to the manufacture of explosives which saved Germany in 1915 when stocks of saltpetre for production of explosives had been exhausted.

    His dark side was the production of chlorine gas and various nerve gases in WW1 (his wife also an eminent scientist begged him not to use such monstrous chemicals – he refused and she (allegedly) committed suicide in protest).

    Forced to leave Germany by the Nazis in 1933, he can't have imagined the use to which it would be put

    Here is an extract from a new book about Degussa and Nazis by David Peters (I think).

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  15. chrisdoughty28

    chrisdoughty28 Junior Member

    Hi thanks for the info I have sent off for the book and it looks to be well recomended. Chris
     
  16. chrisdoughty28

    chrisdoughty28 Junior Member

    Without I G Farben there may not have been WW2 (Farben was Hitler and Hitler was Farben)

    If this list are some of the Directors of IG Farben for example one Warburg was himself of the Jewish Faith this makes a number of ?????????????

    Table 2-2: The Directors of American I.G. at 1930:


    American I,G.
    Director


    Citizenship

    Other Major Associations

    Carl BOSCH

    German

    FORD MOTOR CO. A-G

    Edsel B. FORD

    U.S.

    FORD MOTOR CO. DETROIT

    Max ILGNER

    German

    Directed I.G. FARBEN N.W.7 (INTELLIGENCE) office. Guilty at Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.

    F. Ter MEER

    German

    Guilty at Nuremberg War Crimes Trials

    H.A. METZ

    U.S.

    Director of I.G. Farben Germany and BANK OF MANHATTAN (U.S.)

    C.E. MITCHELL

    U.S.

    Director of FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF N.Y. and NATIONAL CITY BANK

    Herman SCHMITZ

    German

    On boards of I.G. Farben (President) (Germany) Deutsche Bank (Germany) and BANK FOR INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENTS. Guilty at Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.

    Walter TEAGLE

    U.S.

    Director FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK and STANDARD OIL OF NEW JERSEY

    W.H. yon RATH

    Naturalized

    Director of GERMAN GENERAL U.S. ELECTRIC (A.E.G.)

    Paul M. WARBURG

    U.S.

    First member of the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF NEW YORK and BANK OF MANHATTAN

    W.E. WEISS

    U.S.

    Sterling Products


    Source: Moody's Manual of Investments; 1930, p. 2149.

    Note: Walter DUISBERG (U.S.), W. GRIEF (U.S.), and Adolf KUTTROFF (U.S.) were also Directors of American I.G. Farben at this period.
     
  17. chrisdoughty28

    chrisdoughty28 Junior Member

    Dwory



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    German decoder regarding security at the Buna Werks


    After a contract was initiated by a March 2, 1942 contract with "IG Farbenindustrie AG Auschwitz", the synthetic rubber and oil plant at Dwory (near Auschwitz III-Monowitz, which provided forced labor) was under construction in November 1943). The Buna Chemical Plant) produced synthetic oil and rubber (from coal) was the beginning of SS activity and camps in this location during the Holocaust. At its peak in 1944, this factory made use of 83,000 slave laborers. The pesticide Zyklon B, for which IG Farben held the patent, was manufactured by Degesch (Deutsche Gesellschaft für Schädlingsbekämpfung), which IG Farben owned 42.2 percent of (in shares) and which had IG Farben managers in its Managing Committee. Today, the plant operates as "Dwory S.A."
     
  18. Peccavi

    Peccavi Senior Member

  19. chrisdoughty28

    chrisdoughty28 Junior Member

    One hundred percent of all explosives and of all synthetic gasoline came from the factories of IG Farben. Whenever the German Wehrmacht conquered another country, IG Farben followed, systematically taking over the industries of those countries. Through this close collaboration with Hitler's Wehrmacht, IG Farben participated in the plunder of Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norway, Holland, Belgium, France and all other countries conquered by the Nazis.

    The U.S. government’s investigation of all the factors leading to the Second World War in 1946 came to the conclusion that without IG Farben the Second World War would simply not have been possible. We have to come to grips with the fact that it was not the psychopath, Adolph Hitler, or bad genes of the German people that brought about the Second World War. Economic greed by companies like Bayer, BASF and Hoechst was the key factor in bringing about the Holocaust.

    No one who saw Steven Spielberg's film "Schindler's List" will forget the scenes in the Auschwitz concentration camp.
     
  20. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    What arguments can you provide to support directly Economic Greed as direct cause of the Holocaust and exculpate Nazi ideology and the other factors?
     

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