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Zhukov--As cruel as Stalin?

Discussion in 'General' started by machine shop tom, Dec 29, 2007.

  1. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    naive person you are...
    and, btw, the Cold War was started by Churchill.

    I am amazed that you Limeys have not addressed this humdinger.

    Churchill "starting" the Cold War when he wasn't even the Prime Minister? He merely was making an observation when he spoke in Missouri in 1946 of what was already coming to pass.
     
  2. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

    as for being elected:
    democracy is not appropriate to Russia and never will be,
    so this sort of remark is off the point here.

    as for ''killing millions'':
    first, provide me with links to a documents supporting your assertion -
    then we'll talk...

    Wanna start with 7,000,000?

    The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century

    "Joseph Stalin, leader of the Soviet Union, set in motion events designed to cause a famine in the Ukraine to destroy the people there seeking independence from his rule. As a result, an estimated 7,000,000 persons perished in this farming area, known as the breadbasket of Europe, with the people deprived of the food they had grown with their own hands."

    Tip of the proverbial iceberg.

    tom
     
  3. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

    I am amazed that you Limeys have not addressed this humdinger.

    Churchill "starting" the Cold War when he wasn't even the Prime Minister? He merely was making an observation when he spoke in Missouri in 1946 of what was already coming to pass.

    They didn't miss it, Jeff, they were being typically polite in ignoring this obvious error typical of T-34.

    tom
     
  4. T-34

    T-34 Discharged - Nazi

    Only if you disarm them first...




    the Nazis would have armed those who joined them against Stalin...






    .
     
  5. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

    the Nazis would give arms to those who joined them against Stalin...



    Kinda hard to salute without arms.

    Couldn't resist.......:D

    tom
     
  6. T-34

    T-34 Discharged - Nazi

    ... The History Place - Genocide in the 20th Century...



    i asked you for documents, and not for another piece of brainwash.
    legaly and internationally - Stalin has never been accused of genocide.
    at least, not by the western countries like the US or UK.
     
  7. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

    i asked you for documents, and not for another piece of brainwash.
    legaly and internationally - Stalin has never been accused of genocide.
    at least, not by the western countries like the US or UK.

    I have a feeling that anything I post on this subject you will find fault with.
    :rolleyes:

    tom
     
  8. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

  9. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

  10. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    Stalin has never been accused of genocide.
    at least, not by the western countries like the US or UK.

    huh?:unsure:

    That is one of the very reasons the West had a large number of troops in the "Fulda Gap," we didn't want the genocidal aspects of forced collectivization and the Five Year Plans visited upon our nations.
     
  11. T-34

    T-34 Discharged - Nazi

    ... anything I post on this subject you will find fault with.



    maybe, it takes to nudge the CIA to dig up, at last, some proof for an assertions you are fed by mass media.
     
  12. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

    Yeah, right, the CIA.

    They are involved with ALL 286,000 hits I got when I googled "stalin genocide".

    So EVERYTHING that is critical of Stalin is in error?.

    Or T-34 is.

    tom
     
  13. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    you'd best stop watching TV, lads...
    it's brainwashing you.
    :mellow::mellow: Russian speaking about propaganda and brainwashing...
    The guy on your avatar is the master of those two things :huh:
     
  14. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    I have looked at Holocaust denyers before, but I have NEVER seen ANYBODY silly enough to deny the crimes of the Stalin regime against the very people of Russia he had sworn to protect......The paranoia of Bolshevik politics is well known, as is The Maximum Leader's own propensity toward large scale modernization programs that moved Russian agriculture and industry in directions not neccessarily to the liking of the people concerned....Collectivization and redistribution of peasant owned land (KULAKS) was a widespread policy in the late 1920s. The cost for those that objected to this brutal piece of government legislation numbered in the millions....14 to be precise. ,The accusation of "Kulak" came to be represented by a family in a village that might have owned a cow.....Kulaks were simply people on the land who were just that little bit better off in terms of primary agricultural produces. Herded into State Farms that then took their output away from them to hold in a central area for the benefit of all....not a popular policy with the peasant mass. Resistence to this policy was widespread, and personal scores were settled as well, in a carryover from the terrible Civil War that was still fresh in everybodies memory.

    As I say.....I have never met ANYBODY stupid or naive' enough to become a champion of anything that the acknowledged WORST BUTCHER OF THE 20th CENTURY committed in the name of 'the eradication of internal enemies'....
     
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  15. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    might have missed out here but was there a bloke from uncle joes inner circle called trotsky,who defected to a certain central american country.was he not assasinated by the n.k.v.d.i wonder if he told people what was going on in the soviet union.he would be a great source.yours,lee.
     
  16. T-34

    T-34 Discharged - Nazi

    I have looked at Holocaust denyers before, but I have NEVER seen ANYBODY silly enough to deny the crimes of the Stalin regime...

    this statement you made is, imo, an outright bigotry.
    unlike the Nazis, Stalin has never been accused in front of international court.
    legally, he is absolutely clean of all accusations.

    ...Kulaks were simply people on the land who were just that little bit better off...

    really ?...
    kulaks, in fact, were those who lobbied their interests by attempts to dictate a corn price.
    they wanted to control the cities' markets, see.
     
  17. 4th wilts

    4th wilts Discharged

    this is great stuff,lee.
     
  18. BulgarianSoldier

    BulgarianSoldier Senior Member

    this statement you made is, imo, an outright bigotry.
    unlike the Nazis, Stalin has never been accused in front of international court.
    legally, he is absolutely clean of all accusations.

    There are many people who made war crimes and they were not accused in front of international court, but does this make them innocent?
    Like a russian your well aware about the crimes that the chechen leaders and there soldiers did well they are not accused by international court.Let me give you some names you maybe know: Aslan Maskhadov,Shamil Basayev, Ramzan Kadyrov, Akhmed Kadyrov, Ibn Al-Khattab. No body is accused by international court.
     
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  19. machine shop tom

    machine shop tom Senior Member

    this statement you made is, imo, an outright bigotry.
    unlike the Nazis, Stalin has never been accused in front of international court.
    legally, he is absolutely clean of all accusations.



    He hasn't been charged with anything BECAUSE HE IS DEAD!

    tom
     
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  20. Christos

    Christos Discharged

    No accusation by an international court does not mean Stalin is guilty of no crime......By the same logic you must also say that ADOLF HITLER is guilty of
    NOTHING......


    And as for Kulaks driving grain prices up, that may be so, but the only ones to mention this were the COMMUNIST PARTY THEMSELVES, in a manner that they thought would JUSTIFY this crime........As a Russian, I think you have your 'blinkers' on when it comes to crimes committed by the regime as a whole......more of this denial from Soviet sources, something we can at least trust them for, their ability for outright denial......


    Give me Western living over those political and social butchers anyday of the week...
     

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