X4 - Abbreviation in Service Records

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by RosyRedd, Sep 21, 2010.

  1. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    I have been searching around for some time to find out exactly what X4 means. I have read through several posts on here and on the internet in general, but haven't found anything which is as clear to understand as say TOS or SOS. Would "Posted to X4" mean something different from one individual's Service Record to the next?

    Thanks,

    Jules.
     
  2. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

  3. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Jules

    Are you sitting comfortably ?

    Good...... then I'll begin.

    Go to this link:
    http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/searching-someone-military-genealogy/19949-x-lists-service-records.html

    Read it slowly & carefully and then tell me you don't understand what the X list refers to :)

    Ron

    Was comfortable and read slowly and carefully as instructed thanks Ron. I can't help being dim!! :D I understood what the X lists were for - I have read this thread already. It just doesn't seem to help when you have an X(4)A. Perhaps I am looking for more than needs be...and then there's X(8)A too o_O
     
  4. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Rosy -
    Was the member regraded after being on X(iv) as that is usually what happened in that category as he came from A1 - to a lesser fitness category until he was "no longer fitting the physical requirements" - and subsequently discharged - with thanks of course for his time etc ...
    Cheers
     
  5. klambie

    klambie Senior Member

    My experience is with Canadian records, where X4 is reinforcement or reinforcement in transit. I've seen X4A rarely, and only with respect to officers. Based on records and veteran information, it seems to have been used for reinf officers who were with the unit but not officially on strength. I know of one veteran who was surprised to learn that he was not officially on strength (he was on the X4A list) even though he was commanding a Platoon for the period in question. I speculate that this was a way to have extra officers around who did not count against War Establishment (perhaps as a way to get them some experience). It tended to be short term, with these men ultimately being officially TOS. I've only seen this late in the war, Mar or Apr 45.

    I've added a link to Canadian X lists (which used numbers rather than roman numerals if that is a useful distinction) to the X list thread mentioned above. Potentially confusing, as there appear to have been two variations of X lists used, which is new to me. Other contextual information in the entries might be needed to be certain of which version was in use.
     
  6. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    Rosy -
    Was the member regraded after being on X(iv) as that is usually what happened in that category as he came from A1 - to a lesser fitness category until he was "no longer fitting the physical requirements" - and subsequently discharged - with thanks of course for his time etc ...
    Cheers

    Thanks Tom - There is no record of him being unfit/ill/injured. All it states is:

    15/3/43 Leave with R/A 7 days (PAIF)

    The next entry is a couple months later:

    Unit - 5 Adv B W/S: Posted to X.IV (PAIF) 13/6/43
    Unit - 5 Adv B W/S: SOS Paiforce to ME (PAIF) 19/6/43 then the same day

    Unit - X4A : TOS ME from Paiforce. Posted X4A (-----) 19/6/43

    Next entry after that is in August 43 when he received an emergency commission (MEF).

    My experience is with Canadian records, where X4 is reinforcement or reinforcement in transit. I've seen X4A rarely, and only with respect to officers. Based on records and veteran information, it seems to have been used for reinf officers who were with the unit but not officially on strength. I know of one veteran who was surprised to learn that he was not officially on strength (he was on the X4A list) even though he was commanding a Platoon for the period in question. I speculate that this was a way to have extra officers around who did not count against War Establishment (perhaps as a way to get them some experience). It tended to be short term, with these men ultimately being officially TOS. I've only seen this late in the war, Mar or Apr 45.

    I've added a link to Canadian X lists (which used numbers rather than roman numerals if that is a useful distinction) to the X list thread mentioned above. Potentially confusing, as there appear to have been two variations of X lists used, which is new to me. Other contextual information in the entries might be needed to be certain of which version was in use.

    Klambie - this answers my question thank you very much. He was an officer and that would explain why he has an A after the X4. Your link also states that X(8) is In Transit and later, on 15th August '45 the record states Posted to X(8)A PY List. About a week later he was on a ship heading back to the UK.

    In these records both "numerals & numbers" were used for X4. Perhaps that didn't make much difference?

    Thanks again everyone for all the great help.

    Jules.
     
  7. RosyRedd

    RosyRedd Senior Member

    After reading through Departmental Orders lists from REME 750 B/W - (WO 170/6458) I came across X8(A).

    It appears that this reference was used for an individual, regardless of rank, before being despatched to Assembly Centres or to "X Special Reception Camp on PYTHON".
     

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