X lists (Service Records)

Discussion in 'Service Records' started by Kieron Hill, Jun 13, 2009.

  1. Wunjot

    Wunjot New Member

    Hi
    I asked for a copy of my grandfather's war record, as I'm researching my family tree and there was some family folklore around his WII war service. He was meant to have fought in Burma and been lost for a while in the jungle. The record I've received doesn't suggest he was ever in Burma, but I'm puzzled by some of the X, Y and Z list entries and I wondered if anyone could help. I've put together the following table to try to summarise it all. Any help anyone can give would be most appreciated.


    Date


    Description


    Cat


    Explanation


    15.01.44


    Arrives in India at Base Reinforcement Camp


    XivB


    Waiting to be deployed to a post


    30.03.44


    Posted to 2nd Bn Suffolk Regiment








    01.05.44


    Awarded 7 days field punishment for not “standing to” at 04:45 on 30.04.44








    03.06.44


    To Xii List


    Xii


    Taken ill


    06.06.44


    Posted to 2nd Bn Suffolk Regiment








    25.06.44


    Posted x(ii) list


    X(ii)


    Taken ill


    05.09.44


    To xiv list


    Xiv


    Waiting to be deployed


    18.12.44


    To Base Reinforcement Camp


    Ziv





    22.01.45


    To Zii list


    Zii





    28.02.45


    To Z4 list


    Z4





    21.04.45


    To X(i) list


    X(i)


    Posted to fill a vacancy


    26.04.45


    To Reinforcement Camp remains Xi


    Xi


    Posted to fill a vacancy


    11.05.45


    At Army Service Corps x(i) to x(ii)a


    X(i)


    Posted to fill a vacancy


    20.05.45


    Posted to South East Asia BAPO from x(iv)a to x(i)


    X(i)


    Posted to fill a vacancy


    16.10.45


    Leave in UK - leave in addition to python








    16.11.45


    Posted AWOL, but cancelled as extension of leave granted








    26.02.46


    To x(i) list. Rejoined HQ303 C of C & India Command


    Xi


    Posted to fill a vacancy


    03.01.46


    Ceased to be attached on proceeding to London District Assembly Centre








    09.07.46


    Posted to Y4 list


    Y4


    Home


    10.07.46


    From 10.07.46 to 03.10.46, spends 86 days at a place which is unreadable on record








    04.10.46


    Class 2 (T)





    Joins Reserve List
     
  2. John Williams

    John Williams Junior Member

    This topic has been really useful as it has sorted a couple of issues in my fathers service record. However, I am still confused by a couple of things and so regret not asking him whilst he was alive.
    He joined the Glosters and went to Gravesend for 2 years. At the end of that time, his battalion of the Glosters were reformed into 118 LAA Royal Artillery and posted out to India. At the end of the war he was awarded The Burma Star, but I can see nothing in his record that shows he was actually in Burma. He did not get back to England until 1946 as for the last year or so he was on the staff of the Homeward Bound Trooping Station at Deolali.
    The first part of his service in India is clear as is his time at Deolali. In between that there is a record of posting to B.B.R.C. Does anyone have any idea what that was? I have wondered if it is a Reconnaissance Company.
     
  3. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

  4. John Williams

    John Williams Junior Member

    Hi Lesley.
    Thank you for this. I can go back to his service record now and see how that makes sense.
    John
     
  5. johneowens

    johneowens Active Member

    Dear Board members

    I have a few remaining abbreviations and acronyms from my father's war record with the 24oth Field Company RE I would like some help with. I have managed to decipher most of it but am stumped by the following, which are not listed by the Army Personnel Centre:
    • "Granted RA and RW"
    • "Granted leave RALRRW"
    • "Granted leave RALR"
    • "Granted leave SLR"
    • I think he was wounded/injured in Ireland while posted to Bessbrook Camp, near Newry. The query is "Admitted to Dromores? CRS". Then, "Discharged from Dromores? CRS". Was this a military hospital?
    • "Attached to SMR"
    • "Granted leave LSR"
    • "Wounded ?.S.W. Comp, Frac L Arm Pelv/ W.L." It's "S.W. (possibly ?.S.W.)" as there is a black line just before the S. This was a Wuustwezel, just outside Antwerp in the Battle of the Schelde.
    • "S.O.S. 21 A.Gp on evacuation to hospital in UK". What's ""S.O.S. 21 A.Gp"?
    • "Posted to H (R) DPSn"
    Any assistance or new information greatly appreciated.

    Many thanks

    Best wishes

    John
     
  6. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    I think SOS 21 A.Gp- is Struck off Strength (of the unit) 21 Army Group

    RALRRW is maybe just a draft code for leave
     
  7. borneo72

    borneo72 Junior Member

    SOS is definitely Struck off strength, in other words, posted to another unit.

    Dave
     
  8. johneowens

    johneowens Active Member

    Many thanks, 4jonboy and Dave. The 21st Army Group certainly works as this entry occurs in my father's record just after he was wounded outside Antwerp in the Battle of the Schelde in October 1944.

    Best

    John
     
  9. revere60

    revere60 Member

    A bit late to the party, but am fairly certain that SW is "shrapnel (shell) wound". GSW would be "gun shot wound".
    From a list of abbreviations I received when researching some WWI service records.
     
  10. johneowens

    johneowens Active Member

    Many thanks. SW works. My father was wounded at Wuustwezel as a product of a shell fired from a Jadpanther, which killed the guy he was talking with who was standing in front of him.

    Best

    John
     
  11. SAS grandson

    SAS grandson Member

    I didn't mean to strike this down??? How do I change that?

    I thought it was a funny comment.
     
  12. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    Not to worry , I gave it a positive rep point so now it's equaled out.
     
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  13. Brian Smith

    Brian Smith Junior Member

    Very late with this but just re-reading service record for Dad, on 13.5.46 he was noted as X8A which is the day he embarked for the UK and was Struck of Strength BAOR, so fits well with in transit.

    Brian
     
  14. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Hi Diane !

    Giving this thread a bump to raise a point about it's apparent importance in translating service men/women's recoirds.

    It occured to me that the x & y lists that are constantly referred to by would be researchers and forever responsible for the query "I'm sure I saw this thread before" should be given more prominence on the site and made more accessible.

    Not at all sure how this should be done and where it should be placed but I am sure that a more prominent placing would be beneficial.

    Any thoughts ?

    Ron
     
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  15. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Funny I was thinking the same - and then also about the KRs in general. Great minds ... ^_^

    Answer: I really don't know, though I can see the potential, perhaps they could be an extension of Abbreviations as they do fall into that general area of queries, as do the usual Leave codes: LIAP, LILOP, PYTHON, etc.
     
  16. 4jonboy

    4jonboy Daughter of a 56 Recce

    I can never remember where to find the x and y lists. (mind you I have trouble where to find most things at times :wink: )

    I usually just google " x lists on a ww2 service record" and it takes me to the following on ww2talk: (the actual thread we are on now)
    http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/15663-x-lists-service-records/

    A coincidence you mention it Ron, as today I pointed someone to the x and y lists with the link above today
    http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/52906-help-with-military-records-of-great-uncle/#entry619563
     
  17. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Rule of thumb? If anything regularly crops up related to service queries, it should be under Service Records ... and pinned. ;)

    (If it's not already there why not tell Owen to move it; bet he's dead bored right now.)
     
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  18. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Lesley

    It was probably seeing your posting that prompted me to raise the matter with Diane :)

    On thinking the matter over, I'm inclined to agree with Diane that Abreviations is the logical place for it.

    Like yourself, I am reasonably adept at finding links for folk but it is doubly nice to have a central place on the forum where you know that regular enquiries are catered for.

    Ron
     
  19. Mike L

    Mike L Very Senior Member

    (If it's not already there why not tell Owen to move it; bet he's dead bored right now.)

    Come on O, you still awake? ;)
     
  20. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    It's already pinned in Service Records.
    Can't see whatelse to do.
     

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