WW2talk or WW2f ?

Discussion in 'Network Information, Suggestions and Feedback' started by Ron Goldstein, Aug 6, 2010.

  1. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

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  2. dave500

    dave500 Senior Member

    On the whole, the average poster on WW2f is less well informed than the
    members of this forum. And there is, as the thread Ron cited, a distasteful
    amount of Nazi worship as well.


    Dave
     
  3. Jakob Kjaersgaard

    Jakob Kjaersgaard Senior Member

    Had a brief look at the ww2f site this morning and spotted this introduction from a new member:


    Now I know why I prefer to spend my time on this site !

    Ron

    I second that!
     
  4. RemeDesertRat

    RemeDesertRat Very Senior Member

    Had a brief look at the ww2f site this morning and spotted this introduction from a new member:

    most prized possessions in my "library" are a first printing of Mein Kampf in German; which I got as a college graduation present;


    Now I know why I prefer to spend my time on this site !

    Ron

    What sort of college is that!?
     
  5. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Must say I can't really see anything all that wrong with that.

    If you collect Nazi stuff, as many do, including leading members here, then there's a fair chance such books might be prized possessions.
    And if you collect something, that's what you'll want as presents.
    The man says "In no way do I condone what Adolf Hitler did during his time of "rule"", just as many others here would say, while owning some of the traces of that rule.

    I've got a few bits & pieces of Nazi-related stuff here and there, picked up over the years, and though I'm no collector I certainly don't think they make me a Nazi.
    WW2F has more militaria/collector chat than here, so such 'show & tell' of collected stuff is more likely.
     
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  6. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Adam

    Wearing your chief honcho hat you may very well consider that there is "nothing really wrong with that".

    It doesn't stop me from feeling slightly nauseous at the general tone of the posting and I reiterate that I prefer to spend my time on this site.

    I would remind you that the thread title is "ww2talk or ww2f" and for once I am strictly on topic.

    Ron
     
  7. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    'Course I can see that Ron, each to their own, different strokes etc. (and I'm naturally pleased when people prefer here ;) ), but I do think Za's immediate posting of that picture and comment is a little OTT, and that's really what triggered my response.

    Leading chap here has a mound of Nazi banners (and fascinating things they are, no names no pack-drill eh?), some deeply serious British Regimental-studying regulars also have wide collections of Nazi Uniforms and other ephemera, but I haven't seen Za posting such stuff in response to those.
    Collecting and being fascinated by something is a long way from condoning mass-murder, and I'd think such serious attack should maybe be reserved for the real fans of Hitlerite ideology rather than a passing collector with three posts on another site.
     
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  8. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Adam

    At the risk of prolonging this repartee I have to say "Long live Za and his OTT !"

    There is a world of difference between owning WW2 memorabilia that includes Nazi artifacts to announcing "how much of a great leader he really was"

    I make a point, on this site, of welcoming new members.

    Let us just say that I made a point in not repeating this courtesy to the young man in question.

    Ron
     
  9. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    'Great' is definitely not the adjective I'd have used, but it is pretty hard to deny how successful Adolf was at the political power game.
    What can I say, WW2F has more septics, and they do tend to sometimes be a tad clumsy with our language ;).
    (Sorry resident septics & friends from WW2F, you know I love you, sort of... )
     
  10. Ron Goldstein

    Ron Goldstein WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran Patron

    Adam

    While I have your ear, nip over to ww2f & sort out Cah124 who is cheerfully plugging Gestapo uniforms after having been booted off this site :)

    Ron
     
  11. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Was just reporting him to 'em, mate.
    Bet he found there from this thread, oh the irony... ;)
    Two forums, sharing the spam.
     
  12. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    On the whole, the average poster on WW2f is less well informed than the
    members of this forum. And there is, as the thread Ron cited, a distasteful
    amount of Nazi worship as well.


    Dave

    I have to take STRONG exception to this comment, Dave. Please produce evidence of Nazi worship by a current, active members. You will find posts, but I am certain you will find such activity roundly condemned by the leadership and rank and file.

    Ron, as you are still a member please send him a PM for me saying you have a friend willing to sell the Walther PP that killed The Last Jew in Vinnitsa. He'll be proud to own that particular piece of history.



    Miguel, as far as I know you still have an active account. Certainly, were it to have been closed, I would know about it.

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    I have to go coach a soccer game. I am more than happy to discuss this further later on in the day, although von Poop had done a good job thus far.
     
  13. Drew5233

    Drew5233 #FuturePilot Patron 1940 Obsessive

    I have to go coach a soccer game.


    You mean football? :p
     
  14. Rich Payne

    Rich Payne Rivet Counter Patron 1940 Obsessive

    It did seem to me that the post started with a standard disclaimer. I'm sure the 'neos' have realised that if they prefix any comments with "I don't in any way condone..." they can then get away with more before they're pulled up for it.

    A serious student wouldn't need a first edition of the book and putting it in a glass case (presumably so that like-minded friends can admire it when they visit) is a bit different from serious collecting and conserving.

    To be honest, this is the only general WW2 forum that I know which doesn't seem to have a Nazi-worshipping undercurrent. There are for instance plenty of serious posters on 'Axis History' and 'Wehrmacht Awards' but I can't get away from the feeling that a significant minority are just a bit too keen on everything to do with that obnoxious regime.
     
  15. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    but I do think Za's immediate posting of that picture and comment is a little OTT, ...

    Local saying freely translated: It's not a defect, it's a feature.

    Leading chap here has a mound of Nazi banners (and fascinating things they are, no names no pack-drill eh?), some deeply serious British Regimental-studying regulars also have wide collections of Nazi Uniforms and other ephemera, but I haven't seen Za posting such stuff in response to those.

    Firstly of all I don't know whom you mean nor it is of any consequence; secondly, in your "serious British Regimental-studying regulars also..." the clinching word is "also". I don't see an "also" in the quote below.

    My two most prized possessions in my "library" are a first printing of Mein Kampf in German; which I got as a college graduation present; and a "first translation" edition of Mein Kampf in English. Both of which are very valuable, of course. They are both displayed in a glass case, along with a Hitler youth knife and an original authentic War Merit Cross medal. I am currently in negotiations with private collector to acquire an original Panzer Badge and an original gold German Cross.
    Another quote, if I may, italics and all: "When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck".

    Also, the famous English phrase: And now for something completely different.

    Jeff, since when can't you tell a rethoric device from a dead crab? :D
     
  16. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    "When I see a bird that walks like a duck and swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck"
    Except most duck-shooters engage directly with their prey, Za, not shoot by proxy one website removed. ;)
    You're a member there, get in if it bothers you so. Overcome that middle-aged retreat from the actual fighting. Though there's always a risk of looking a tad half-cocked if the target's not well chosen. Photos like you posted are about the most abuse one can give to an individual in a WW2-web context, that sort of ammo should maybe be reserved until after at least a few leading questions.

    WW2F has had it's 'fanboy' moments, (show me a large forum that hasn't - been some corkers here over the years), but they're in the dim & distant as any sort of noticeable phenomenon, a tiny percentage of the whole. You and I have both engaged with the real McCoy there alongside the mass of the membership (and jolly good fun it was at times). This chap doesn't even make the scale.
    (And if you want to see his 'also', check his later post on his Allied collection being much larger than his Axis one.)

    In more general terms - A proper Nazi or worshipper thereof will be removed there just as quickly as they would be here.
    We even share info between sites on the real thing.

    I'll take the piss out of WW2F in a friendly way, as they can take it out of me, & us. That's only right & proper in any circumstance involving quite a bit of transatlantic communication, but despite some implications being made they ain't any more Nazi ideology tolerant than here, despite a higher percentage of those with a legit Interest in Adolf-related artefacts.
    And septics. Never forget there's more septics.

    If they really were in any way genuinely dodgy, then I certainly wouldn't have stuck around for so long after you recruited me.
     
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  17. Za Rodinu

    Za Rodinu Hot air manufacturer

    Nice allegory, but I am not casting aspersions on WW2F per se, rather on curious characters that crop up in WW2F as they may appear in Armchair General, Feldgrau, AHF, WW2inColor, and Pallas Athena knows how much more else. This one had simply been identified as appearing in WW2F, my post makes no reference to that august place at all: it could apply to anyone anywhere.
     
  18. kopite

    kopite Member

    Consider this: Do you really think that "the West" was as it was portrayed in the movies, with gunfights in the streets and lawless gunslingers ruling the day? Not hardly.
    Thanks for the comments!

    Jeff,

    So you've never been to East L.A. then?.....:)
     
  19. Slipdigit

    Slipdigit Old Hickory Recon

    People will involve themselves in pursuits with which they feel comfortable. The two forums have a different focus and different feel, that is obvious. Members come and go and I certainly will not find myself begging anyone to post anywhere.

    Furthermore, as Adam suggested, there is a good deal of conversation between the leadership of the two forums and with the owner. Trust me, if there was a hint of pro-nazi sympathies at WW2F, I would have gotten an earful from several members here as well as my boss. To even suggest that I would allow the forum to harbor Nazi fanboys is beyond ridiculous and I challenge any accuser to produce evidence of such. Again, if you have a claim, then prove it.

    While you are at it, also show proof that I allow Boshevik rhetoric to be pushed. The two political states are the same with me and are equally abhorent. More than once I have been asked why the forum allows a member to sport part of a Stalinist battle cry as his username. I know your stated poltical leanings and your sense of humor, Miguel, but others do not. It certainly gives new members pause to wonder.

    I'm done with this vague, baseless thread. Y'all have at it.
     
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  20. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    There yer go..You've upset Slipdigit...Nazis are not marching into ww2f. When one is suspected they like here are removed. I've seen many suspect posts on there over the years. Some have been goading members into chatting in a reasonable way..Usually around 3rd September or Few dates In May...They are soon removed. I certainly wouldnt post on a nazi sympathetic site. I'm sure they do appear though as much though there as here. They don't last long if they do though.
     
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