Ww2 Quiz Part 3

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  1. morse1001

    morse1001 Very Senior Member

     
  2. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    Sir Arthur Conningham?
     
  3. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    (jimbotosome @ Oct 27 2005, 01:41 PM) [post=40678]Sir Arthur Conningham?
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    Getting warmer however not a winner.

    If you worked at Bletchley Park you would surely get it first.
     
  4. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    Was your guy particulary interested in "blood sucking" birds Sir Geoffrey?
     
  5. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    (jimbotosome @ Oct 28 2005, 03:02 AM) [post=40704]Was your guy particulary interested in "blood sucking" birds Sir Geoffrey?
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    "Halloweeen" ? or are you just Trick or Treating!

    He was very well decorated.

    He did have a period of "time out" during the war and if his recommendations had been taken up, Market Garden could well have been turned into a succcess.
     
  6. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    (spidge @ Oct 27 2005, 05:58 PM) [post=40710](jimbotosome @ Oct 28 2005, 03:02 AM) [post=40704]Was your guy particulary interested in "blood sucking" birds Sir Geoffrey?
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    "Halloweeen" ? or are you just Trick or Treating!
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    This was in reference to a Sir Geoffrey De Havilland that liked the Mosquito and Vampire (blood sucking) birds.
     
  7. jimbotosome

    jimbotosome Discharged

    Well, what do we know? We know that he is a British General (though any general could have liked Monty the snake if he had a sense of humor). We know he is a British bird man which means an RAF. We know he his plan would have helped Market Garden. The only thing that would have helped Market Garden was to get Antwerp open. The only one I know that proposed to do that first was Sir Arthur William Tedder. The best way to watch birds would have been with radar which Tedder certainly did, and Bletchley Park would know him by association with Ultra. Might it be him?
     
  8. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    (jimbotosome @ Oct 28 2005, 02:14 PM) [post=40719]Well, what do we know? We know that he is a British General (though any general could have liked Monty the snake if he had a sense of humor). We know he is a British bird man which means an RAF. We know he his plan would have helped Market Garden. The only thing that would have helped Market Garden was to get Antwerp open. The only one I know that proposed to do that first was Sir Arthur William Tedder. The best way to watch birds would have been with radar which Tedder certainly did, and Bletchley Park would know him by association with Ultra. Might it be him?
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    Yes he is/was a General in the British Army however from there you have gone downhill!

    I did not say he liked Monty however he may have! What Monty did to him would give me cause to say he did not.

    You somehow educed he was RAF which he is not! Rev Bob was off on a tangent!

    He was a highly respected and proven tactical General however "What if" is applicable as his Market Garden suggestions were not accepted/approved.

    NOW

    Don't forget that the biggest clue is firstly in the words of the question.

    He was to eventually receive 3 knighthoods.

    He also has an Italian Silver Medal of Honour and a bar to his DSO.

    He was appointed GOC-in-Chief of 2 different armies.

    In his pre war years he unlike the French did study the books of Guderian.

    Orders to him from Churchill, stopping him in his tracks, would eventually cost thousands of more lives.

    His pedigree saw him as a certainty to follow the tradition in the army.

    He did attend Sandhurst.

    He was a military practitioner, not a political animal.

    His recommendations regarding Caen as well as Market Garden were ignored.
     
  9. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    It must be Archibald Wavell!! Churchill ordered Wavell to halt with North Africa at his mercy and ultimately Rommel landed and the rest is history!! As for Commanding 2 Armies well he was CinC Middle East and also in India.

    Didnt know about his input in NW europe. At least I hope I'm on the right track! :D
     
  10. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    (Gotthard Heinrici @ Oct 28 2005, 08:04 PM) [post=40724]It must be Archibald Wavell!! Churchill ordered Wavell to halt with North Africa at his mercy and ultimately Rommel landed and the rest is history!! As for Commanding 2 Armies well he was CinC Middle East and also in India.

    Didnt know about his input in NW europe. At least I hope I'm on the right track! :D
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    No it is not Wavell however the temperature is rising rapidly.

    The clue could be worded poorly.

    It should possibly have read " Orders from Churchill, stopping him in his tracks, would eventually cost thousands of more lives.
     
  11. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Would it be General Sir Richard O'Connor by any chance. Monty had him transferred from 8 Corps in Jan 1945 to India which I imagine would not have endeared him to O'Connor. :)
     
  12. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    (Gotthard Heinrici @ Oct 28 2005, 08:59 PM) [post=40731]Would it be General Sir Richard O'Connor by any chance. Monty had him transferred from 8 Corps in Jan 1945 to India which I imagine would not have endeared him to O'Connor. :)
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    You are correct sir!

    The original clue as I said was the best!

    Who am I?

    I was a general.

    R evelling i n c ommand, h is a ble r egiments d id o utstanding c ombat o ffensives, n ot n eeding o ther r eserves.

    He did have a period of "time out" during the war and if his recommendations had been taken up, Market Garden could well have been turned into a succcess.

    </div><div class='quotemain'>Due to his capture by the Germans he spent over 2 years in a Italian Prison Camp. [/b]


    Re Market Garden:

    O'Connor remained in command of VIII Corps, for the time being, and was given the task of supporting Horrocks' XXX Corps in Operation Market Garden (the plan by Montgomery to establish a bridgehead in the Netherlands across the Rhine). In spite of having reduced forces and a largely thankless task, his Corps advanced and captured the Dutch towns of Deurne and Helmond. O'Connor suggested a possible string of operations in the following days, including the construction of bridges over the Escaut and the Meuse canal, and the capture of Soerendonck and Weert. Such actions, if taken, might have bypassed the main German defences which had bogged down XXX Corps, and could have salvaged Market Garden, saved thousands of lives and shorted the war in Europe by weeks or months.

    Re Caen:

    O'Connor raised concerns that the Germans might launch a counter-attack, and strongly recommended the ground gained by VIII Corps be consolidated before continuing on further against Caen. This was ignored, however, and the Germans did exactly as O'Connor had feared. VIII Corps was pushed back over the Orne.

    Sir Richard O'Connor was arguably one of the finest generals of the Second World War. Yet he has come to be frequently forgotten by history and reduced to hardly more than a footnote. While his modest, unassuming manner may have won him many friends and much regard it has also caused him to be largely and unjustly overlooked in favour of more flamboyant figures. In addition, his unfortunate capture early in the war and subsequent unplanned 2.5-year hiatus robbed him of many prime opportunities to prove himself in battle. By the time he got "back in the game", the truly decisive phase of the war was essentially over. Many of his peers and subordinates were promoted over him. They were aided by the fact O'Connor was always more practical than political. Yet he never seemed unduly bitter or resentful, demonstrating a dignity, courage and character which extended well beyond the battlefield.

    References:
    King's College London Liddell Hart Centre for Military Archives, PAPERS OF GENERAL SIR RICHARD O'CONNOR KT, GCB, DSO, MC (1889-1981)
    Against all odds: the story of the first offensive in Libya, 1940-41, including extracts from O'Connor's personal narrative, Cyril Nelson Barclay
    The Forgotten Victor : General Sir Richard O'Connor, KT, GCB, DSO, MC, John Baynes (London : Brassey's, 1989)
    The Desert Generals, Corelli Barnett (London : Allen and Unwin, 1960)
    The Encyclopedia Of Military History: From 3500 B.C. To The Present. (2nd Revised Edition 1986), R. Ernest Dupuy, and Trevor N. Dupuy. PP 1066-1068 1070-1072
    Churchill's Generals, Edited by John Keegan.
    Ireland's Generals in World War II, Richard Docherty (Four Courts Press, Dublin, 2004)
     
  13. jimbotosome

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    (spidge @ Oct 28 2005, 04:47 AM) [post=40721]
    Yes he is/was a General in the British Army however from there you have gone downhill!

    I did not say he liked Monty however he may have! What Monty did to him would give me cause to say he did not. [/b]
    The Monty I said he might have liked was Monty Python (Monty the snake?).

    (spidge @ Oct 28 2005, 04:47 AM) [post=40721]You somehow educed he was RAF which he is not! Rev Bob was off on a tangent! [/b]
    Did not know he was not RAF. Dumb me.

    (spidge @ Oct 28 2005, 04:47 AM) [post=40721]He was a highly respected and proven tactical General however "What if" is applicable as his Market Garden suggestions were not accepted/approved. [/b]
    I agree with his suggestions on MGO because his suggestions, in essence were to cancel it, in that capturing Antwerp would have made it unneccesary because Patton would have been on the other side of the Rhine already. I thought that was what you were hinting at. It's the only suggestion that I think could have prevented trouble in MGO.
     
  14. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Who am I?

    I am a general, wounded in WW1, considered by many to be an able and capable commander. Born in 1880 I was a Lieutenant by the end of WW1 and indeed was promoted to Colonel rapidly.

    During WW2 I served on a number of fronts and was known as a brave soldier, indeed I had to be personally escorted from my dugout having been ordered out of a catastrophic situation when all was lost by my Commander in Chief. I commanded at Corps level and saw action in Sicily. I did not however survive the war's end, a plane crash taking my life away as I flew to accept my new posting.

    Who am I?
     
  15. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    Was I General Sikorski?
     
  16. Reverend Bob

    Reverend Bob Senior Member

    General Robert Ritter von Greim??
     
  17. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    I like your thinking Reverend Bob but its not Von Greim. The General in question had no connection with Aircraft. He is not an air commander. :)
     
  18. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Typical me!! I didnt see Geoff's post before Bob's!!! Well it wasnt General Sikorski either! Keep it up guys, the answers so far have been very interesting!
     
  19. spidge

    spidge RAAF RESEARCHER

    MAJOR-GENERAL ORDE WINGATE ?
     
  20. Gerard

    Gerard Seelow/Prora

    Geoff , sorry man but try again! A Clue: Reverend's guess gave us the right nationality!!!
     
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