Discussion in 'Historiography' started by urqh, Aug 23, 2010.

  1. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    Help....I dont usually give up but I'm on the verge.

    Background...Just recently moved to Worcesershire....Got sheep....Put sheep in paddocs, fields and old airfields....Blimey, trying to take a break from ww2 and found myself up to my neck in GHQ line, Malvern, Defford, Honeybourne, Pershore and numerous airfields of old...Spigot mortar positions still abound with plaques at side of road in villages...Tank traps,,,both physical cone and square and town tank traps...Bridges with pill boxes at bottom at top, in sheep fileds, searchlight batteries, gun pits, auxillery hide found on Bredon Hill...Just walking past and saw exit tunnel...Overton with secret squirrels and bank of England supposed move....Something did, but cant get to bottom of what they were trying to hide there, certainly not what they said they were. Wood Norton BBC and the emergency war time broadcasting and also monitoring unit...Droitwitch masts...Much cold war stuff...GCHQ in site when I walk round fields, ariels a plenty...Tunnels a plenty on hills...Moved sheep into Hinton on Green field and thought what the hell is that shack....What is that concrete circle....A.A for the adjoining petrolium warfare stockpile. and later a roc station now cemented over...Broadway towerr Roc station, all this and more within 5 to 10 mins of my daily sheeping....pillboxes everywhere...Fourgass fire traps...And Aschurch, Malvern strill bristling...Etc...I've done the books, the Worcester at war, the sites, the pics and the visits...The tracing of units in Malvern in 1940 and Winchcombe artillery in 40 the RA evaluation site at Earls Croombe which I blundered into when seeing an old pic of woman putting washing out with a barrage balloon above her head...In middle of nowhere which made me look harder...Comberton rotor and early GCI station I blundered into also....plinths still in place....up an long farm track....no need for anyone but sheep folk to ever visit...Amazing stuff...My question though...

    Bredon hill still has a microwave dish of the backbone type still up high...This I think has superseded the Parsons Folly at right of Bredon Hiill...still with BBC lines looked after by Vodafone after old deal when called Racal...the military radio experts who I did lots of work for in past...The folly after much searching was used as a wireless station in ww2...Guarded by static military...I'm thinking Y service...Coventry bombing, Meacons, Beacons and Knickerboker or whatever beam war conducted in this area...The RAF and Navy radar flying trials units based at Defford mid war onwards after Malvern move for TRE due to scare of a recipricol Bruneval raid....Back to my question...

    Bredon Hill is bristling still...It was obviously of some strategic importance in ww2...A walk up the hill proves its suitability with all round best views even more so than Malverns which are a short hop in the distance....I'm finding no open scource stuff on Bredon Hill...Apart from a measly wireless station in the folly....And yet, an Auxillery battle school, and an Auxillery Unit were withing a few hundred yards...Overton and the banking family of Holland Martin owned and still own much of the hill...One son an admiral, an other a flyer training folk in Canada before returning mid war and off to Bletchly..Surprise surprise...2 Mecrinarious South Africans who were involved in pinching the Dutch Diamond stocks in 1940 were at Overbury court and formed the Auxillery unit on the hill.... Books will tell me it was to hit Defford etc as Jerry would not be allowed to have the place...Unfortunately Defford as it was later to be ie Radar importance was not doing that job at that time...

    Help...What does anyone know about Bredon...Its amazing I cannot find that muich, and yet everywhere within its gaze that I graze sheep on was pretty important to GHQ line in 1940. Bredon is lost in a haze of nothingness....And yet...I dont believe a word...
  2. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

    Tom, I aint got a clue mate! seems you have a lot going on up there though if you find Lord Lucan let us know, but seriously your surronded by some fascinating history especially your mention of the Auxillary units lot of those were hush hush so might explain why your struggling to find a conection to the area. Reckon I might have to pay you a visit one day and no mate I dont want to play with the sheep;)
  3. arkrite

    arkrite Senior Member

    I live just over the border in Herefordshire which also has a wealth of military and associated bits and pieces.Violet Zarbo ,S.O.E was trained near Hereford. The SAS has long been linked with the area. US Army Camps and a Hospital ( only recently flattened) were present. Radio Attenna near Richards Castle broadcast and recieved transmissions from the USA.
    Before the start of WW2 the counties were deeply rural. Railway lines gave access from outside but roads were not good and cars were scarce. Where else is better to hide what you do not wish you enemies to find. With many of the locals of that time now gone I doubt we will know half of what went on in the tented camps behind those thick hedgerows.
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Aye Urqh, good to see you about.

    One skimpy result specifically for Bredon on Defence of Britain:
    ADS: ArchSearch: Please accept the terms and conditions

    Lots more for Worcestershire in general that might be worth a trawl with local knowledge:
    ADS: ArchSearch: Please accept the terms and conditions - (search/county Worcestershire)

    Defence of Britain Google Earth Overlay always worth a shufti:
    The Defence of Britain. - Google Earth Community
    (Large kmz - 3.6MB, don't know how up to date it is - View attachment defence of britain.kmz )

    Some references out there to a plane crash on Bredon Hill.

    Good luck hunting for more mate.
  5. Capt.Sensible

    Capt.Sensible Well-Known Member

    You could also try:
    Historic Environment Record

    A certain senior figure in that part of the County Council has a healthy interest in WW2 and has occasionally been spotted dressed in Home Guard kit from time to time....

  6. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    Thanks for responses. Think Im getting there slowly.
  7. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    as vP suggested

    17/10/1943 Mosquito DZ345 of Telcommunications Flying Unit flew into high ground at Bredon Hill. Pilot W/C Blomfield and navigator Cpl Stevenson were both killed.

    ASN Aircraft accident 17-OCT-1943 de Havilland Mosquito FB.Mk.IV DZ345

    W/Cdr (37714) Arthur Samuel Barton BLOMFIELD DFC (pilot) RAF - killed
    Cpl (909839) George Richard STEVENSON (mech) RAFVR - killed
  8. Tom Canning

    Tom Canning WW2 Veteran WW2 Veteran

    Urgh -

    count your blessings - small hobby farmer near me had ten pregnant ewes and one ram - that was Thursday - Friday he had eleven dead sheep - Saturday he had one dead cougar - cougar only feasted on two so he killed the others for no good reason we can understand - not like cougars - coyotes yes - but not cougars !

    So try out the 40mm Bofors - might work !
  9. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    Had one of my favourite old girls attacked by two dogs two weeks ago..never mind cost of lambs these days..was going to put her out to grass as thanks for the 18 lambs she gave us..heartbreaking having to walk up to her..no udders or mouth..hiding bolt gun and calmly shoot her..ww2 is nothing to what happens when Ido find those dogs..cos theyll try again..but if you have a a.a gun to spare Tom..post to me in UK soonest matey.
  10. wtid45

    wtid45 Very Senior Member

  11. urqh

    urqh Senior Member

    Cheers WTID I saw that a few weeks ago..has some good links too. Highworth house and the old post office where recruits turned up for stamps..or a lift really..is also close by..both near Fairford..Half way between the two of us..We should do a trip.
  12. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

  13. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    And I caught the last few minutes of this yesterday on Radio 4:

    Author and poet Owen Sheers visits South Wales, the setting for his book Resistance, which was inspired by the tales he heard growing up of a secret rural army trained to hold off a potential German invasion during the second world war.
    Owen meets one of the last surviving members of the rural auxiliary unit and speaks to some of the people who had no idea that members of their family were highly trained to move silently through the surrounding countryside, ensuring it became a difficult and hostile environment for the German army to infiltrate. Finally Owen heads underground into one of the secret bunkers, where ammunition was hidden in the Monmouthshire countryside.

    Should be on ListenAgain



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