Will age ever weary the subject?

Discussion in 'Historiography' started by von Poop, Jul 5, 2009.

  1. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Reading 'Three days in June' about the 1982 Mt. Longdon battle (Excellent so far. Check it out.)
    It, and conversations with Falklands service mates & others that have engaged with Falkland veterans gets me thinking about the timescale of war/remembrance/story telling.

    WW2 was so massive that I imagine it'll ring somewhat longer, but those chaps on World at War holding forth down the pub were filmed c.30 years post-bellum.
    Falklands chaps seem to be emerging from the woodwork to tell the story of their war more fully since the 30th anniversary, with a wave building around the 40th.

    30-40 years. Wondering if that's maybe a bit of a constant for blokes on the ground beginning to talk.
    Long enough for some demons to be sleeping a tad more.
    For irritation to build at others telling their story.
    To have attended mates' funerals who're now passing by entirely normal time flying, outside of traumatic effects.

    I think there's quite likely a natural timescale to this stuff.
    WW2 indeed so large a cataclysm it runs somewhat longer, but it's hard to deny the chaps that fought it are fading away.
    If WW1 any indicator, after they've gone, the centenary roughly hits, there's a peak of interest, intensified historical digging, revisionism (Good or bad, often good), and then maybe a tailing off of interest or 'new stuff'.

    WW2 is fully 100 years old on the second of September 2045.
    If the forum still stands then*, it'll be interesting for those still engaged to cover its rise or fall in the 'Interesting/important' history stakes.
    Trajan's column still probably bemuses most. The grave mounds of Towton & Cheriton are a minority interest.

    * Hello future WW2Talk people!
    I'm probably dead now (lifestyle) - look up Usernames marked in Purple, as they were there.
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  2. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    I think the Victorian/Edwardian fascination with Waterloo anniversary milestones and survivors and the later U.S. celebration of aged Civil War veterans about match your suggested timeline, too.

    Both of comparable cultural importance to those societies as the Second World War has been in the west.
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  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Very interesting Adam

    I get contacted by some new members asking me stuff about an obscure thread I started stating grampa or a cousin 6 times removed was in x regiment and do I have more info etc.
    This type of query or interest will run for a while. Not sure how long this “while” will last. Hopefully with modern data being so accessible this will keep the interest going. Perhaps this will be the same for the Falklands war.
    I am aiming to be here in 2039 and 2045 but you never know
  4. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    I often find the historiography more interesting than the actual history.
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  5. ltdan

    ltdan Nietenzähler

    I feel the same way, but I do it for a living: I am an archaeologist
    In that respect I can't judge that objectively ;-)
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  6. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

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  7. TTH

    TTH Senior Member

    I am afraid that recent events have made the subject more relevant than ever. And that is not a happy thought.
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  8. Owen

    Owen -- --- -.. MOD

    I think exactly the opposite.
    Recent evens make me think what's the point in looking at a war from 80 years ago when one is going on in Europe right now.
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  9. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Then you watch the Matt Lucas "Who do you think you are" and realise what the Allies fought for and the millions who were lost and maimed
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  10. Uncle Target

    Uncle Target Turn the page

    History repeats itself because we fail to fully appreciate what our forbears endured because we have not been there.
    Only Servicemen who have been in battle can appreciate it.
    Thankfully I haven't.
    Reading books written by the elite Commanders is not the way to understand war.
    You have to read the letters of men who went through it many of whom died, because their stories have not been enhanced by experts.
    You then have to read about the politics that they portrayed and the conditions that they lived in comparing your notes to those of the relatives from home, If you have them. We are all individuals with our own views. Be they literal or figurative.
    For more, feel free to PM me but I am only me and not an answering machine.

    Your place in the queue is .............
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2022
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