Why? New style CWGC website

Discussion in 'Geoff's Search Engine.' started by geoff501, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit Patron

    I've noticed these new format links sometimes don't work first time, but the second attempt the page open up.
     
  2. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    I wonder if that was why they dropped out of their partnership with TWGPP ?

    Kyle
     
  3. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Just spoken to cwgc re the casualty page
    In the near future the facility will be available to add casualty photo or headstone they are still working out how it will work re uploading and copyright issues
    So it might be possible for public to upload or i suspect when they have thought it through it will have to go through cwgc first for sanity check
     
  4. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit Patron

    Wonder why they don't have TWGPP photos? Did they fall out? Or run out of fivers?
    Casualty photos could be a can of worms.
     
  5. SDP

    SDP Senior Member Patron

    Casualty photos could/would not be a good idea. Whilst I personally know people who would take a sensible approach with fully validated photos - and at least one is a member of this Forum - it could lead to all sorts of mischief. In any case, who would validate the photos? Who would resolve the family arguments? Who would own the copyright? Who.......

    In my mind, the only properly validated photos would be those taken when the person joined the Services etc, and that was never (?) done. In any case, how would that person now give permission for publication (?!) and would they have done so when they were alive?
     
  6. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Well-Known Member

  7. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Whilst there's always a risk of it being open to abuse, a parallel wiki would permit the addition of a 'history' to each casualty. You'd still need GSE to do it properly, though.
     
  8. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit Patron

    Isn't that what the IWM's Lives of The First World War are doing? (for 50 quid a year, as a supporter)
    CWGC database should be restricted to what records they hold, with the addition of grave photos, which they probably should have done themselves.
    GSE should not be a requirement, their system should do all that is required (I'm available for hire!)
     
  9. idler

    idler GeneralList

    Not seen that, so will have a look.
    Yes, keeping the 'public' data separate from CWGC's would be important and, yes, GSE shouldn't be a requirement but until there's an alternative you'll just have to keep on taking the credit!
     
  10. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit Patron

    Found it not very useful. I think there is a RBL version also.

    Needs an update. It contains uncorrected scanning errors, unit name changes, other corrections and missing 'new' casualties.
    All this can be downloaded as CSV files, but these do not contain the vital record ID, so URL links are not possible.
    They are trying to stop page scraping (and there are several million pages to scrape).
    So, it's not perfect, but it's also ain't broke! (mostly)
     
  11. Mr Jinks

    Mr Jinks Bit of a Cad

    Rather than putting up photographs of the modern headstones (which are available from other sites) why not put up the original grave marker shots they sent out to `every` next of kin after the war? Historically correct and fitting in with the CWGC story?

    Just a thought


    Kyle
     
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  12. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit Patron

    Probably failed to negotiate a deal here? It remains a cash cow.

    Great idea, this would be a fantastic resource - but these probably no longer exist. But you could ask.
     
  13. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit Patron

    On 7th/8th September 2017, the modest search rate of GSE WW1 increased by 430%
    Not checked WW2 yet.
     
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  14. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    I would suggest that if any one has any thoughts/suggestions give CWGC a call
     
  15. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Have sent an email to CWGc to see if they can add all the casualty detail on one page including the grave location
     
  16. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit Patron

    Also needs all filters on the search page visible on one page, including the search button. They have increased the number of search buttons, but usually need to scroll to find one, so a pointless change.

    If multi page search results, the Next Page buttons should be both at the top and the bottom of the list.

    If they must have a Mobile page, it should be in addition to the desktop page. Many websites do this.

    But what do I know?
     
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  17. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Um stock answer "we are sorry that you feel that it does not meet your expectations" It was just a query comment

    Thank you for your recent comments regarding our new website and search capabilities. We are sorry that you feel that it does not meet your expectations. The new design is very different but it has been based on research, consultation and analysis of previous website usage.

    The new website has been designed to take the Commission forward and is built on modern technology that will allow us to provide additional content and capability in the future. As with all new items, it takes a little bit of time and patience to understand the nuances. We appreciate that not everyone will like the new design etc. when they have been familiar with the previous version.

    There are some changes in the way searches are made and results are displayed, however the Casualty Database behind the search has not changed, so all data that was previously available is still available.

    As to your specific issue with Grave locations, as you pointed out, whilst not apparent in the search results list, they are still visible on the casualty details page. We are looking at adding this field back into the search results in the future.

    We will take your comments on board and wish to assure you that the Commission is committed to trying to improve the way members of the public interact with our content and data.
     
  18. ritsonvaljos

    ritsonvaljos Senior Member

    There's an awful lot of "Government speak" in the answer you received, Clive. I wonder who did the "... research, consultation and analysis ..." ?
     
  19. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    Yes mate there sure is gov speak
    The old website for me whilst out and about on an iphone was fine
    Now to get the grave number you have to go into each casualty whereas before all was on one page
    Anyway im sure they have many queries complaints about so hope they sort it out
     
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