Why? New style CWGC website

Discussion in 'War Cemeteries & War Memorial Research' started by geoff501, Sep 7, 2017.

  1. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Why, FFS ?
    If it's not broke, don't fix it.
    All it needed was the Search button replicated at the top of the form.

    Commonwealth War Graves Commission

    (Geoff's Search Engine is still available until at least mid 2018).
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  2. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi Geoff

    I'm afraid its a sign that you, like me are growing older and less likely to be fully complaint with all the technologies of today. Having said that from what I have seen that may not be true in your case. However whenever I become accustomed to a piece of software and begin to feel comfortable with it, some snitty little button pusher decides its time to change it - why - because he has sod all else to do all day except play with 'web designs' and change it for changes sake. The other side of so called changing up that these so called designers forget is that some of us like it as it was and have not updated the last 3 updates so therefore we cannot upload the 4th in the last month and now whatever it was will no longer run/work because I do not have the latest update, and it will now start to play havoc with other pieces of associated software that previously were independant but no longer are because some conglomerate has decided to pay well over the odds for something that in real life is worth £10 but in the ether world is worth billions

    Moan over - sorry to have taken over your thread, but as you say FFS

  3. gmyles

    gmyles Senior Member


    To be fair, all of the options that would be on the one form are still accessible at the bottom. That means that the "One Input Box" search option (which looks strangely like the TNA discovery search page) keeps the newbies happy, offers a little more at the touch of "advanced" and still gives those who want a multi faceted data querying engine if we want it with a few more clicks.

    Display/Text is bigger which should suit those who are not getting any younger. ;-)

    Only bit I don't like is that all the CWGC links that Geoffs record dumps provided now dont work. :-(

    Any ideas on what has to be done to re-map them? As I now have 1000 links on a spreadsheet that just go to the main search page. :reallymad: Grrrr.

  4. smdarby

    smdarby Well-Known Member

    Refine search option has been reduced. Now you can't search for awards.
  5. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Links from GSE work OK. If you have very old links on spreadsheets, it may be fixable. I've done a couple.
  6. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    ha ha

  7. papiermache

    papiermache WO 356 Mechanic

    It says "Shop" at the top, and that's all that matters. It's beyond parody.
  8. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Not sure the Gurkhas would be to pleased to have been left off the list - Forces

  9. Charley Fortnum

    Charley Fortnum Dreaming of Red Eagles

    Not really on.
    I hear they were a little busy '14-'18 & '39-'45.
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  10. timuk

    timuk Well-Known Member

    Quite agree. I think CWGC classifies Gurkhas as Indian!
  11. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    Post a couple of your links here, there is probably a Find/Replace text I could suggest for the spreadsheet
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  12. vitellino

    vitellino Senior Member

    Hello everybody,

    Has anyone tried using the CWGC's new fomat website for general research?

    I am trying to find out how many Prisoners of War were brought into Milan War Cemetery from the Rapallo area of Liguria in the period 1 July 1942-September 7 1943. I have found an Italian document stating that thirteen men from Camp PG 52 had died, ten of them in hospital, and have been looking on the CWGC website to see in which war cemetery they might have been buried.

    Milan seemed the obvious choice, and by using the old 'between dates' format I identified fourteen casualties and fortunately downloaded the appropriate concentration form. I returned to the website half an hour ago to double check only to find that the 'date search' longer appears to be an option.

    Perhaps I am just being stupid...

    Edited: I have now discovered that to get the dates you need to order the results according to date...not quite the same thing though

    Last edited: Sep 7, 2017
  13. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    On this new site they only use the phrase Indian Army or the word Indian when relating to the option for Forces then selecting Indian - there is no Gurkha option, especially as they are not Indian. Perhaps its time for Joanna Lumley to come to the fore again

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  14. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Hi vitellino

    you need to see the other thread - Why?

  15. dbf

    dbf Moderatrix MOD

    Have you tried using Geoff's wonderful Search engine? I still prefer it over any revamped CWGC engine.
    Geoff's 1939-47 Search Engine
    For date ranges - do not use spaces eg 01/01/1945-31/01/1945

    you can also exclude regts, specify cemetery, limit the search to Army Number block ranges, etc, etc.
  16. idler

    idler GeneralList Patron

    But the Gurkhas were Indian Army. It's no different to British officers being listed under the Indian Army, it's the nationality of the force, not the individual.
  17. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Don'tre member

    Then do they need to include West Africans as well as specify only South African forces?? What about the Singalise forces??

    I'm just having a good moan day today (right or wrong)

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  18. von Poop

    von Poop Adaministrator Admin

    Looks like the link format hasn't changed since the shift they made October last year.
    If old format, they've been 404-ing since then.

    Old format:
    New Format:
    Was fixable quickly last time with Find & replace, (then adding the slash at the end).

    Geoff's Engine used to pump out a slightly different format. That should be similarly straightforward to fix too, as the ID number seems to be the key.
  19. CL1

    CL1 116th LAA and 92nd (Loyals) LAA,Royal Artillery Patron

    now shows a place for a photograph and the inscription on the CWGC placed headstone (it wont show private headstone inscriptions apart from the name)
  20. geoff501

    geoff501 Achtung Feind hört mit

    This bit is OK if you don't have 1000+ records to do. If anyone is really stressed out on this, I have written code before for a few bods, which reads in the CSV data, modifies the link and spits it out again.
    The 'You have made too many requests' nag seems to have gone for these shortened URLs.
    I suspect some of the reason for the update is to make it more 'friendly' on mobile computing. I never use that stuff, so it's only a guess.

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